On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:09:02 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:26:03 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:59:39 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:54:42 -0400, BeachBum "not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote:


The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now.
BLS says there was no net job creation last month.

I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those charts.

They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry picked."

You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up 13.14%
(For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%)

You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only use the
ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to produce that
chart.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in
question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily
climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was included,
so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but there is
likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a
causation effect.

As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you haven't
been very successful in doing so.


Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you
actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would
know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call
them facts.

http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some
surprising statistics.


Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Look at this. It shows that Latinos employment ratio is the highest.
Even with the lack of new housing starts.
http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709


That is because they will go for those "Green Jobs". The houses may
get foreclosed on but that grass keeps on growing and the county makes
the bank mow it.

The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including
more than a few college grads.

Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite
nicely.

Who blamed anyone? you really are trolling here.

You said "The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos". Do
you deny typing that? You're the one who's trolling.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:18:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:04:49 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote:

We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of
our money coming back here.

Companies like GE, IBM, John Deere, Caterpillar, Honeywell, Johnson
Controls, Beckman Instruments, Boeing, United Technologies, etc., are
all manufacturing and exporting like crazy, but you can't export what
the world doesn't need.

Caterpillar is building their equipment in China, as is IBM. I can't
speak to the other companies but I bet if you look at the boxes the
parts come from it won't say made in the USA.
The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports.
Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving
the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports
exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far
exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import.

The technology and product have to be unique,
and the price has to be right. Our best and brightest are studying to
be lawyers and investment bankers however, my kids included.

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

So, your son quit. Feel free to promote him as a chip off the old
block.

Engineers and scientists have not been rewarded in proportion to their
education, skills and contribution and that is taking a toll.

H1Bs are hurting that a lot but the real problem is Dilbert's cubicle
can be anywhere in the world these days.

My son in law's sister is doing OK as a PE but she has the stamp.

H1Bs are NOT hurting a lot. More nonsense xenophobia dredged up by the
right.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:26 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:09:36 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:32:49 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 05/09/2011 1:25 PM, wrote:

Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Liable to get worse too. Bernanke will print more money, creating more
hidden inflation, people will acquire less stuff, so fewer jobs are
needed. Pretty good chance like Japan's lost decades this will continue
for the foreseeable future.

I hope you are wrong but I am having a hard time seeing what is going
to make this better. Building roads and bridges will put a few people
to work but we are buying machines from Asia to do it and we will have
to print the money to pay the operators.
We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of
our money coming back here.

I do understand there are orders coming in for the F-35 JSF already.

If we were not selling weapons we would be in worse shape than we are
but I am not sure that is the best thing to do in the long run. They
seem to get aimed at us more often than we would like. I hope we are
at least putting a trojan horse in the software so we can crash them
if we need to.

I believe we exported something on the order of $1.5T last year or the
year before. As usual, you're just paranoid.


... and we imported $2.5T


More like $2T, but in any case, it doesn't "far exceed" exports. Try
again.

On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red
head with the fake smile.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 08:53:49 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:24:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:46:40 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:58:59 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 03/09/2011 11:41 AM, wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/three-chart...law/1314626142

Federal spending dramatically increased under former president, George
W. Bush and it has not increased much under President Obama.

Look closer at the chart fleabagger. It was 2007 once the democrat 2006
congress debt lovers and Bernanke money print took right off. Also
right about the time unemployment rose with government debt and
overspending. DC has been running on bull**** and fraud ever since.
And Obama shovels more debt and bull**** than all before him.

Fact is ass holes like you vote for fleabaggers that has ruined the USA.

Did Bush have a veto?

Over continuing resolutions?

Which ones?

Any.

Your hero Bush! He screwed up the economy, but that's ok with you.
He's white.

On 9/6/11 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:04:00 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:09:02 -0400, wrote:


The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including
more than a few college grads.

Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite
nicely.

Who blamed anyone? you really are trolling here.

You said "The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos". Do
you deny typing that? You're the one who's trolling.

That is not complaining, it is just stating a fact. If I was hiring I
would probably hire the Mexican. They work harder and are not as
affected by the heat.

The point is that you are not propping up the economy with lawn mowing
jobs


Without those lawnmowing jobs, several right-wing posters here would
have to rely on their food stamps alone.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 9/6/11 2:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote:

The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports.
Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving
the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports
exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far
exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import.

Read what I wrote again

"The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports."

It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read.

Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far
exceeded".



Speaking of exports versus imports, I happened to be at a big box home
and hardware store recently and was looking at washing machines. I
didn't look at every single machine or every box in the display of
shipping cartons there, but I looked at at least 20...and not one
machine there, no matter the brand, was manufactured in the USA.

I'm not saying there are no washing machines still manufactured in the
USA, because not every brand was represented at the store, but many,
many brands were.

Kind of a sad commentary. Some of the best-finished machines I looked at
were manufactured in Korea.



--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 9/6/2011 2:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote:

The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports.
Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving
the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports
exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far
exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import.

Read what I wrote again

"The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports."

It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read.

Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far
exceeded".


Now Greg, watch the language... You will blow your chance of being known
as "the Saint of the lonely Trolls"...

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:15:58 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:04:00 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:09:02 -0400, wrote:


The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos tho, including
more than a few college grads.

Sure. Blame Mexicans. I'm sure that fits in your xenophobia quite
nicely.

Who blamed anyone? you really are trolling here.

You said "The Mexicans are in competition with a lot of anglos". Do
you deny typing that? You're the one who's trolling.

That is not complaining, it is just stating a fact. If I was hiring I
would probably hire the Mexican. They work harder and are not as
affected by the heat.

The point is that you are not propping up the economy with lawn mowing
jobs

Really? So, who exactly is "the Mexican"? Do you mean someone who
looks Hispanic?

The point is that there are plenty of gardeners who aren't Hispanic
and this has nothing to do with Green Jobs. Of course, you continue
your trolling with half-truths and false equivalencies in the hope of
bolstering your flawed "research."

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:39:27 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:34 -0700, wrote:

The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports.
Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving
the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports
exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far
exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import.

Read what I wrote again

"The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports."

It is easy to say I am wrong if you can't ****ing read.

Using your numbers ($700B more in imports) I think 153% is "far
exceeded".

My apologies. I'm just used to you muddling the facts when you try to
make your "****ing" arguments. Thanks for being civil.

As I said, there an imbalance, but it's not out of line historically,
as per 2002.

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...deDeficit.html

Try again.