On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:49:23 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 29, 8:16*pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

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What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:10:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.

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It's not totally off topic. A lot of this governmental nonsense
spills over into the world of boating. As an example take a look at
the so called Manatee "endangered species" regs, the EPA "no
discharge zones" crusade or the Cuban off-limits rules.

Our trawler must have at least half a tropical rain forest in it.
What if we had to document the origin of every inch of that wood every
time we came back into the country like the guitar and piano folks are
doing?

On 8/29/11 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

It looks like you are one of those people who believe business should be
able to rape and pillage the environment. That is very Christian of you.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

It looks like you are one of those people who believe business should be
able to rape and pillage the environment. *That is very Christian of you.



Thanks!

?;^ )

On 8/30/2011 8:32 AM, X ~ Man wrote:
On 8/29/11 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...


This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

It looks like you are one of those people who believe business should be
able to rape and pillage the environment. That is very Christian of you.


Got the proper paperwork on that deck of yours. Careful, you might be
the next one thrown in the clink by the affirmative action Gestapo. It
would be a shame to have all of that exotic wood of yours confiscated.
Got any receipts to prove you support the DNC? It might help.

On Aug 30, 7:32*am, X ~ Man wrote:
On 8/29/11 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:









On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, *wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, *wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122....

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.

On 8/29/2011 9:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.


"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

And they won't give back his piano...

It is obvious that Gibson didn't make the correct political
contributions to the correct political party.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jj...federal-raids/

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.


"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

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Obviously you have completely missed the point.