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...what next? Why your guitar of course...
On 8/26/2011 11:09 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122... This **** is getting old. http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news...t-about-raids/ Scott, If I were Henry, I'd be mad too. I'm wondering about 'search and seizure' laws in how this is handled. Looks like this mi8ght bring a long court battle, which even though I believe Gibson is in the clear, the legal fees and publicity could bankrupt the company. And what about the ($1 million dollar (estimated) inventory taken by the fed. Will they get it back, or will it be busted up or 'lost?" I'm keeping my eyes on this one. Sounds like the Obama admin is taking it's business que from the Middle East. This is kind of like the "flash mobs" robbing retailers in the city... Yep, I am sure plenty of them will be "lost" as you said... |
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#3
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On Aug 27, 3:10*am, JustWait wrote:
On 8/26/2011 11:09 PM, Tim wrote: On Aug 26, 8:48 am, *wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122.... This **** is getting old. http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news...-guitar-ceo-sp... Scott, If I were Henry, I'd *be mad too. I'm wondering about 'search and seizure' laws in how this is handled. Looks like this mi8ght bring a long court battle, which even though I believe Gibson is in the clear, the legal fees and publicity could bankrupt the company. And what about the ($1 million dollar (estimated) inventory taken by the fed. Will they get it back, *or will it be busted up or 'lost?" I'm keeping my eyes on this one. Sounds like the Obama admin is taking it's business que from the Middle East. This is kind of like the "flash mobs" robbing retailers in the city... Yep, I am sure plenty of them will be "lost" as you said... I've seen the vids on the 'flash mobs' amazing how they can storm in and pick a convenience store clean and nothing, or little can be done about it.... |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Sounds like the Obama admin is taking it's business que from the Middle East. This is kind of like the "flash mobs" robbing retailers in the city... Yep, I am sure plenty of them will be "lost" as you said... I've seen the vids on the 'flash mobs' amazing how they can storm in and pick a convenience store clean and nothing, or little can be done about it.... === Inner city stores have been dealing with issues like this for a long time. Many end up installing electric locks on the front door so everyone has to be buzzed in one at a time. |
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#5
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On 8/27/11 12:05 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sounds like the Obama admin is taking it's business que from the Middle East. This is kind of like the "flash mobs" robbing retailers in the city... Yep, I am sure plenty of them will be "lost" as you said... I've seen the vids on the 'flash mobs' amazing how they can storm in and pick a convenience store clean and nothing, or little can be done about it.... === Inner city stores have been dealing with issues like this for a long time. Many end up installing electric locks on the front door so everyone has to be buzzed in one at a time. In the corporate world, of course, the crooked bankers, brokers and corporate execs don't need to be buzzed in to steal your money...you entrust it to them. -- I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the powerful. |
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#6
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On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122... This **** is getting old. This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott. "Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta- area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny. There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling. Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. " |
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#7
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On Aug 29, 8:16*pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122... This **** is getting old. This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott. "Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta- area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny. There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling. Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. " Oh yeah. this too! "If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent— not to mention face fines and prosecution. John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a wooden guitar." |
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#8
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 29, 8:16*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122... This **** is getting old. This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott. "Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta- area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny. There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling. Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. " Oh yeah. this too! "If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent— not to mention face fines and prosecution. John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a wooden guitar." ============================ What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like this? How did it happen? How do we fix it? |
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#9
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On 8/29/2011 9:49 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, wrote: On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122... This **** is getting old. This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott. "Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta- area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny. There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling. Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. " Oh yeah. this too! "If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent— not to mention face fines and prosecution. John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a wooden guitar." ============================ What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like this? How did it happen? How do we fix it? You have to find a way to stop voter fraud in the US so the voters can vote "regressives" out of office... Unfortunately, ACORN didn't go under, they just split into hundreds of seperate offices with new names, but they are already hard at work in key states for 2012 and as history shows, they are quite capable of stealing elections... |
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#10
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:49:23 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Aug 29, 8:16*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122... This **** is getting old. This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott. "Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta- area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny. There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling. Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. " Oh yeah. this too! "If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent— not to mention face fines and prosecution. John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a wooden guitar." ============================ What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like this? How did it happen? How do we fix it? Why don't you continue to vote for your right-wing crazies. I'm sure they have a solution, and if not, God will speak to them. |
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