It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who
live their life in rec.boats.




"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Alright Alright already so I'm long winded. Sorry. Hopefully what
follows it's an intersting read with SOME value. Also, ignore the
spelling, I'm in a hurry and typing with my toes today :^)


I have yet to see anyone offer any significant
empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat
of a
given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name,
when factoring in things like initial cost, and care.

Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar
sized designed for ocean use.

Alright Harry, I'll bite. So according to your statement the evidence
that Bayliners are inferior is cannot travel thiry miles off shore? What
about a Wellcraft? How about an old favorite of mine, a Jersey? Of all
the boats made, you seem to infer that Bayliner are the only ones that
cannot travel off shore so they are the only ones you'll label as
inferior?

Also can you be more specific in your statement "Oh? Try going 30 miles
offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean
use."?

First of specifically what two boats are you comparing? Second, What does
it mean? Will someone going 30 miles off shore on a Bayliner perish? Will
someone going 30 miles off shore in a Bayliner automatically come back and
renounce the Bayliner name and pledge their allegiance to Parker boats
forever?

I honestly don't know what you mean, because, standing by itself without
context, you've presented a senseless statement with ABSOLUTELY NO
MEANING. It's like debating with a ****ed off ten year old:

"Oh yeah? I'll show you! You just try to take that Bayliner thirty miles
off shore. Go on, I dare you!"

Without knowing what consequnces you are inferring, perhaps I should just
count my blessings when I went 300 miles on my Bayliner accross Lake Erie,
accross Lake St. Clair and into Lake Huron, where I was more than thiry
miles off shore on quite a few occasions. I'm not a gambling man, but
I'd bet other Bayliner owners could make better claims.

This ambiguous statement not only reeks of arrogance, but suggests you are
a prejudiced person. I used the term prejudice in referring to your
closed minded
disdain for Bayliners above all other boats. It doesn't matter what the
facts are or how many thousands of people enjoy their Bayliners. It
doesn't matter if Bayliners have repeatedly go thirty miles off shore for
a decade. To you, Bayliners suck, Bayliners will always suck, and despite
any proof to the contrary you will tell people bayliners suck, not as your
unfounded opinion, but as a matter of fact. My guess is you do this
because your foolish pride will never allow you to admit otherwise.
Prejudice and closed mindedness behaviours are usually well gounded in
one's insecurity, I pitty that flaw in a person.

And for the record, I don't really care if you or others think Bayliners,
Chris-Crafts or any other boat sucks as long as you:

A. Qualify your remarks as your opinion
B. If stating it as a fact, back up what you say with some shred of
evidence


You repeatedly do neither, and that offends me, Sir. You and others who
repeatedly and haphazzardly bash bayliners, any other boat, or person,
without good reason, and without one iota of constructive advice, are in
my humble opinion, are acting in rude and irresponsible manner.

Obviously it's rude because telling any captain their boat sucks
encroaches on a personal attack. No matter what walk of life we come
from, or what type of vessels we own, the majority of boaters take some
pride in the vessel they own. We refer to vessels as "she" as they are
close in our hearts. Just like we take pride in our houses. My hats goes
off to you, Harry, or anyone else, that can honestly say you would not be
offended if someone said "Your boat sucks" or someone walked into your
house and said "Geez what a dump". Quite frankly, I wonder if you or
others who act the same way would display this same rudeness you've shown
in this group in person. If we met face to face would you have the guts
to tell me my boat sucks in the same "matter of fact" fashion? If so, my
hat goes off to you again, for remaining steadfast in your personal,
albeit prejudiced, convictions. If not, I pitty you.

This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad.

Bob Dimond

Hey Bill,

Your right, Bill, of course. But what about the lurkers in this group
who *MAY* take these clowns at face value? As I've stated:

" This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad."

Even if no one takes these clows seriously, my personalfeelings are if
these jerks are allowed to run amok, and unchallenged to make rec.boats
so full of **** that others can't take any comments of this group at face
value, then what is the point of rec.boats existance?

A few smart-ass comments about a brand of boat, fine. A few smart-ass
comments someone's stupid actions, fine. But when its only the smart ass
comments, never coupled with any helpful advice, then it just mean
spirited. I personally don't believe rec.boats should be the safe harbor
for this mean spirited behavior. I wish other who share my love of
boating felt this way as well.

Take Care,

Bob Dimond




In article a8Zeb.480968$Oz4.319400@rwcrnsc54, "Bill Cole"
wrote:

It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who
live their life in rec.boats.

No one takes Harry, jps, or basskisser seriously. Gould who is
knowledgeable on boats has come to Bayliners defense many times, his words
are of more value than all of the silly bashing that goes on. I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Hey Bill,

Your right, Bill, of course. But what about the lurkers in this group
who *MAY* take these clowns at face value? As I've stated:

" This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad."

Even if no one takes these clows seriously, my personalfeelings are if
these jerks are allowed to run amok, and unchallenged to make rec.boats
so full of **** that others can't take any comments of this group at face
value, then what is the point of rec.boats existance?

A few smart-ass comments about a brand of boat, fine. A few smart-ass
comments someone's stupid actions, fine. But when its only the smart ass
comments, never coupled with any helpful advice, then it just mean
spirited. I personally don't believe rec.boats should be the safe harbor
for this mean spirited behavior. I wish other who share my love of
boating felt this way as well.

Take Care,

Bob Dimond




In article a8Zeb.480968$Oz4.319400@rwcrnsc54, "Bill Cole"
wrote:

It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should
not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who
live their life in rec.boats.

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...

I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill?

Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under
another of your other right-wing monikers?

You're a freakin' gas bag.

Yeah, so what is your point? If you don't like my bs, don't post your bs.
Have you noticed, I don't post right or left wing crap, I only point out the
fallacy in yours posts because you are so easy. You assume I am right wing.
Your assumption is wrong.

You are too dumb to know how to be effective in working towards a change.


"jps" wrote in message
...
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...

I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to
do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill?

Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under
another of your other right-wing monikers?

You're a freakin' gas bag.

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
. net...
Yeah, so what is your point? If you don't like my bs, don't post your bs.
Have you noticed, I don't post right or left wing crap, I only point out
the
fallacy in yours posts because you are so easy. You assume I am right
wing.
Your assumption is wrong.

You've already said you're a fiscal conservative and a social moderate.

That adds up to right wing tool.

You're a whitey righty.

jps wrote:
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...

I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill?

Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under
another of your other right-wing monikers?

You're a freakin' gas bag.



Why do you waste a second of your day reading Cole? He's in my, you'll
excuse the expression, passover list. He used to post here under another
name, btw. Skipper picked on him.

--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:29:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper picked on him.

===================

Skipper who?

Skipper is my little buddy. Harry is upset because he doesn't have my
little buddy to kick around anymore.


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:29:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper picked on him.

===================

Skipper who?

"Bill Cole" wrote in message news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...
No one takes Harry, jps, or basskisser seriously. Gould who is
knowledgeable on boats has come to Bayliners defense many times, his words
are of more value than all of the silly bashing that goes on. I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.

So, let's see, Skipper Bill Cole, anybody that doesn't agree with you,
can't be taken seriously, huh? Gould can here, because he sometimes
defends Bayliner? You sound like some old shriveled up man. *If you
don't agree with me, you are just.....wrong, sonny!* The truly
ignorant are, indeed, one sided and narrow minded.