On 8/5/2011 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X - Man" wrote in message ...


You right-wing circle jerkers wouldn't know "well-reasoned" from
"well-seasoned." You and several of your fellow low IQ righties don't
have the brain power to discern what is well-reasoned and what isn't.
Most of you barely got out of high school. You, Ingersoll, Canuckles,
your buddy the ID spoofer, et cetera, are the best argument against
social promotions.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Insults aside, there aren't any Ivy League college grads running around
with much of a clue about what to do either, including our wonderful
"leaders" in Congress.

Sometimes common sense serves better than college courses/degrees on
economics, especially when all the traditional rules have changed.

Hate to say it, but there is no simple solution. The revised cry for
"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" in DC are meaningless. There aren't any.
Any jobs created will be federally funded or subsidized "make work"
programs but there's no money to pay for them.

The real problem is not being addressed. The real solutions are not very
popular to many. Some of the TeaBagger's views unfortunately have some
merit. The USA cannot compete in a global economy like it did since the
end of WWII. Our economic growth was based on internal competition among
companies within the USA, giving rise to artificially high pay and
benefit packages when compared to the rest of the industrialized world.
The rise of countries like China as a major manufacturing country has
changed all that.

Expecting USA based companies to invest in manufacturing facilities in
the USA is a fairy tale. Isn't going to happen as long as they have to
compete with the manufacturing costs overseas. Demands that "Big
Corporations" pay their fair share of taxes sounds good and is justified
but collection of those taxes is a pimple on an elephants ass compared
to the revenues required to pay USA debt, let alone finance "make work"
programs.
Right now 60 percent of Americans receive more federal money and
benefits than they pay in taxes. 50 percent of Americans don't pay taxes
at all and both those percentage numbers are rising.

We may have no choice but to go back to basics. Entitlements will have
to be scaled back as will defense spending, foreign aid and all other
federal spending programs. Families will have to go back to taking care
of each other and pooling resources. Many in Europe and Asia have been
doing that for years.

When the Chinese worker begins to realize that he/she is working for a
fraction of the compensation paid elsewhere in the world and begins to
revolt things may start to change. As it does, an American worker who
used to receive the equivalent of $50 to $90 per hour in pay and
benefits is going to have to adjust to living on half of that. The $300K
house he/she lives in is going to be worth $150K .

Sorry to sound so dismal, but that's how I see it.

Eisboch





You got it just about right. Sometimes I think the solution would be for
the congress critters to go to a grocery with their spouse or whoever
has been doing the shopping for the family (at least till they hit
washington and got handmaids to do their living for them). Gas is
double, milk is double, meat is double... Used to get gas for 2 bucks,
now it's 4, milk was 2, now it's 4 everywhere, beef was $1.79 lb,
average, now it's 4 dollars a pound, chicken (boneless breast) was on
sale for 1.29 a pound, now it's on sale for 2.39 and regularly priced at
about 3-4... I bought shorts the other day, 25 dollars, last year I
bought the exact same pair, at the same store (Wallyworld), 15 dollars...

Nobody is racing, and fortunately I don't see Harry's garbage so I can
mention this... An average race weekend was 350 - 500 dollars for tent
campers like ourselves, 1000 for mobile home owners. We are getting
begged by each and every org locally to come race, but with life in
general costing us about 200 dollars a week more than it did just two
years ago, we and about 65% of all the other racers in our divisions
just can't afford it.

Granted, we are small fish in a big ocean. Going racing this weekend for
only the third time this season, a local track, we can do a day race if
we wake at 4 am and drive in, brown bag lunch, make ice all week in
prep, refill water bottles with crystal light or similar... for about 90
dollars with gas and gate fees, the economy is killing our sport and we
come with 8 foot Jeep towing an 8 foot trailer...

On 8/5/2011 9:42 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X - Man" wrote in message ...


You right-wing circle jerkers wouldn't know "well-reasoned" from
"well-seasoned." You and several of your fellow low IQ righties don't
have the brain power to discern what is well-reasoned and what isn't.
Most of you barely got out of high school. You, Ingersoll, Canuckles,
your buddy the ID spoofer, et cetera, are the best argument against
social promotions.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Insults aside, there aren't any Ivy League college grads running around
with much of a clue about what to do either, including our wonderful
"leaders" in Congress.

Sometimes common sense serves better than college courses/degrees on
economics, especially when all the traditional rules have changed.

Hate to say it, but there is no simple solution. The revised cry for
"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" in DC are meaningless. There aren't any.
Any jobs created will be federally funded or subsidized "make work"
programs but there's no money to pay for them.

The real problem is not being addressed. The real solutions are not very
popular to many. Some of the TeaBagger's views unfortunately have some
merit. The USA cannot compete in a global economy like it did since the
end of WWII. Our economic growth was based on internal competition among
companies within the USA, giving rise to artificially high pay and
benefit packages when compared to the rest of the industrialized world.
The rise of countries like China as a major manufacturing country has
changed all that.

Expecting USA based companies to invest in manufacturing facilities in
the USA is a fairy tale. Isn't going to happen as long as they have to
compete with the manufacturing costs overseas. Demands that "Big
Corporations" pay their fair share of taxes sounds good and is justified
but collection of those taxes is a pimple on an elephants ass compared
to the revenues required to pay USA debt, let alone finance "make work"
programs.
Right now 60 percent of Americans receive more federal money and
benefits than they pay in taxes. 50 percent of Americans don't pay taxes
at all and both those percentage numbers are rising.

We may have no choice but to go back to basics. Entitlements will have
to be scaled back as will defense spending, foreign aid and all other
federal spending programs. Families will have to go back to taking care
of each other and pooling resources. Many in Europe and Asia have been
doing that for years.

When the Chinese worker begins to realize that he/she is working for a
fraction of the compensation paid elsewhere in the world and begins to
revolt things may start to change. As it does, an American worker who
used to receive the equivalent of $50 to $90 per hour in pay and
benefits is going to have to adjust to living on half of that. The $300K
house he/she lives in is going to be worth $150K .

Sorry to sound so dismal, but that's how I see it.

Eisboch





You got it just about right. Sometimes I think the solution would be for
the congress critters to go to a grocery with their spouse or whoever
has been doing the shopping for the family (at least till they hit
washington and got handmaids to do their living for them). Gas is
double, milk is double, meat is double... Used to get gas for 2 bucks,
now it's 4, milk was 2, now it's 4 everywhere, beef was $1.79 lb,
average, now it's 4 dollars a pound, chicken (boneless breast) was on
sale for 1.29 a pound, now it's on sale for 2.39 and regularly priced at
about 3-4... I bought shorts the other day, 25 dollars, last year I
bought the exact same pair, at the same store (Wallyworld), 15 dollars...

Nobody is racing, and fortunately I don't see Harry's garbage so I can
mention this... An average race weekend was 350 - 500 dollars for tent
campers like ourselves, 1000 for mobile home owners. We are getting
begged by each and every org locally to come race, but with life in
general costing us about 200 dollars a week more than it did just two
years ago, we and about 65% of all the other racers in our divisions
just can't afford it.

Granted, we are small fish in a big ocean. Going racing this weekend for
only the third time this season, a local track, we can do a day race if
we wake at 4 am and drive in, brown bag lunch, make ice all week in
prep, refill water bottles with crystal light or similar... for about 90
dollars with gas and gate fees, the economy is killing our sport and we
come with 8 foot Jeep towing an 8 foot trailer...

You have an expensive hobby. We just booked 3 camping nights at Disney
and 1 day theme park tickets for $425. And that's for a hard sided
camper with wheels.

On 8/5/11 9:42 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X - Man" wrote in message ...


You right-wing circle jerkers wouldn't know "well-reasoned" from
"well-seasoned." You and several of your fellow low IQ righties don't
have the brain power to discern what is well-reasoned and what isn't.
Most of you barely got out of high school. You, Ingersoll, Canuckles,
your buddy the ID spoofer, et cetera, are the best argument against
social promotions.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Insults aside, there aren't any Ivy League college grads running around
with much of a clue about what to do either, including our wonderful
"leaders" in Congress.

Sometimes common sense serves better than college courses/degrees on
economics, especially when all the traditional rules have changed.

Hate to say it, but there is no simple solution. The revised cry for
"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" in DC are meaningless. There aren't any.
Any jobs created will be federally funded or subsidized "make work"
programs but there's no money to pay for them.

The real problem is not being addressed. The real solutions are not very
popular to many. Some of the TeaBagger's views unfortunately have some
merit. The USA cannot compete in a global economy like it did since the
end of WWII. Our economic growth was based on internal competition among
companies within the USA, giving rise to artificially high pay and
benefit packages when compared to the rest of the industrialized world.
The rise of countries like China as a major manufacturing country has
changed all that.

Expecting USA based companies to invest in manufacturing facilities in
the USA is a fairy tale. Isn't going to happen as long as they have to
compete with the manufacturing costs overseas. Demands that "Big
Corporations" pay their fair share of taxes sounds good and is justified
but collection of those taxes is a pimple on an elephants ass compared
to the revenues required to pay USA debt, let alone finance "make work"
programs.
Right now 60 percent of Americans receive more federal money and
benefits than they pay in taxes. 50 percent of Americans don't pay taxes
at all and both those percentage numbers are rising.

We may have no choice but to go back to basics. Entitlements will have
to be scaled back as will defense spending, foreign aid and all other
federal spending programs. Families will have to go back to taking care
of each other and pooling resources. Many in Europe and Asia have been
doing that for years.

When the Chinese worker begins to realize that he/she is working for a
fraction of the compensation paid elsewhere in the world and begins to
revolt things may start to change. As it does, an American worker who
used to receive the equivalent of $50 to $90 per hour in pay and
benefits is going to have to adjust to living on half of that. The $300K
house he/she lives in is going to be worth $150K .

Sorry to sound so dismal, but that's how I see it.

Eisboch





You got it just about right. Sometimes I think the solution would be for
the congress critters to go to a grocery with their spouse or whoever
has been doing the shopping for the family (at least till they hit
washington and got handmaids to do their living for them). Gas is
double, milk is double, meat is double... Used to get gas for 2 bucks,
now it's 4, milk was 2, now it's 4 everywhere, beef was $1.79 lb,
average, now it's 4 dollars a pound, chicken (boneless breast) was on
sale for 1.29 a pound, now it's on sale for 2.39 and regularly priced at
about 3-4... I bought shorts the other day, 25 dollars, last year I
bought the exact same pair, at the same store (Wallyworld), 15 dollars...

You're being ripped off by American corporations, whose only interest is
profit, profit, profit.


Nobody is racing, and fortunately I don't see Harry's garbage so I can
mention this... An average race weekend was 350 - 500 dollars for tent
campers like ourselves, 1000 for mobile home owners. We are getting
begged by each and every org locally to come race, but with life in
general costing us about 200 dollars a week more than it did just two
years ago, we and about 65% of all the other racers in our divisions
just can't afford it.

For about $400, you can enroll your daughter in a six session SAT prep
class, which will do her a lot more good in life than participating in
kiddie motorbike races.

On 8/5/11 9:42 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/5/11 9:35 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:17 AM, X-Man wrote:
On 8/5/11 8:46 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/5/11 8:44 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:27 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/5/11 8:12 AM, BeachBum wrote:
Why? To fit her brain, of course.

These are her last 7 well *reasoned* posts.

You right-wing circle jerkers wouldn't know "well-reasoned" from
"well-seasoned." You and several of your fellow low IQ righties don't
have the brain power to discern what is well-reasoned and what isn't.
Most of you barely got out of high school. You, Ingersoll, Canuckles,
your buddy the ID spoofer, et cetera, are the best argument against
social promotions.



I looked up asshole in Funk and Wagnalls and found a picture of you.
Isn't that funny?


You're lucky the navy had such low standards when you went in...without
that employer of last resort, you would have had to support yourself by
being a squeegee boy at a busy intersection.



Asshole, my son joined the Marines, and the Marines are not the employer
of last resort. My son joined to give back to his country.

You sir are a royal asshole.

Jim H


Got to clarify this.

X-man JimH is responding to the piece of excrement X-man Harry Krause

Welcome back Jim. It's hard to tell you guys apart since you both post
with a Mac. Harry claimed he never spoofed. We now know that claim to be
a lie.

It isn't JimH, dickwad?


so as long as it isn't "me", it is OK to say my son is an idiot who has
to join the Marines as a job of last resort. **** you.

--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and
disappear.

"X - Man" wrote in message
...

What we need is a restructuring of society here so that instead of
"semi-socialistic" we move all the way towards modern European socialism.
Most modern European socialist countries are doing ok, and their average
citizens are doing better than Americans. We have half-assed socialism
here and it doesn't work.


Impossible for two or three generations, even if desireable (which I don't
think it is).

Eisboch

Uh, the "8 foot jeep" reference was a typo

On 8/5/11 10:11 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"X - Man" wrote in message
...

What we need is a restructuring of society here so that instead of
"semi-socialistic" we move all the way towards modern European
socialism. Most modern European socialist countries are doing ok, and
their average citizens are doing better than Americans. We have
half-assed socialism here and it doesn't work.


Impossible for two or three generations, even if desireable (which I
don't think it is).

Eisboch

For the vast majority of Americans, modern European socialism will
deliver a higher quality of life than corporatism does for them now.
But that's only one aspect of society we need to change.

Let's be real here. Since the advent of unbridled greed and
multinationalism, capitalism is a failure for a growing majority of
Americans. If we don't want a violent revolution, we'll need to modify
and restructure our society. Otherwise, it'll be heads on pikes.


--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear.

On 8/5/2011 10:18 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/5/11 10:11 AM, Eisboch wrote:

"X - Man" wrote in message
...

What we need is a restructuring of society here so that instead of
"semi-socialistic" we move all the way towards modern European
socialism. Most modern European socialist countries are doing ok, and
their average citizens are doing better than Americans. We have
half-assed socialism here and it doesn't work.


Impossible for two or three generations, even if desireable (which I
don't think it is).

Eisboch

For the vast majority of Americans, modern European socialism will
deliver a higher quality of life than corporatism does for them now.
But that's only one aspect of society we need to change.

Let's be real here. Since the advent of unbridled greed and
multinationalism, capitalism is a failure for a growing majority of
Americans. If we don't want a violent revolution, we'll need to modify
and restructure our society. Otherwise, it'll be heads on pikes.



You have a house full of guns Harry. You're ready.

On 8/5/2011 9:59 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:42 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X - Man" wrote in message ...


You right-wing circle jerkers wouldn't know "well-reasoned" from
"well-seasoned." You and several of your fellow low IQ righties don't
have the brain power to discern what is well-reasoned and what isn't.
Most of you barely got out of high school. You, Ingersoll, Canuckles,
your buddy the ID spoofer, et cetera, are the best argument against
social promotions.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Insults aside, there aren't any Ivy League college grads running around
with much of a clue about what to do either, including our wonderful
"leaders" in Congress.

Sometimes common sense serves better than college courses/degrees on
economics, especially when all the traditional rules have changed.

Hate to say it, but there is no simple solution. The revised cry for
"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" in DC are meaningless. There aren't any.
Any jobs created will be federally funded or subsidized "make work"
programs but there's no money to pay for them.

The real problem is not being addressed. The real solutions are not very
popular to many. Some of the TeaBagger's views unfortunately have some
merit. The USA cannot compete in a global economy like it did since the
end of WWII. Our economic growth was based on internal competition among
companies within the USA, giving rise to artificially high pay and
benefit packages when compared to the rest of the industrialized world.
The rise of countries like China as a major manufacturing country has
changed all that.

Expecting USA based companies to invest in manufacturing facilities in
the USA is a fairy tale. Isn't going to happen as long as they have to
compete with the manufacturing costs overseas. Demands that "Big
Corporations" pay their fair share of taxes sounds good and is justified
but collection of those taxes is a pimple on an elephants ass compared
to the revenues required to pay USA debt, let alone finance "make work"
programs.
Right now 60 percent of Americans receive more federal money and
benefits than they pay in taxes. 50 percent of Americans don't pay taxes
at all and both those percentage numbers are rising.

We may have no choice but to go back to basics. Entitlements will have
to be scaled back as will defense spending, foreign aid and all other
federal spending programs. Families will have to go back to taking care
of each other and pooling resources. Many in Europe and Asia have been
doing that for years.

When the Chinese worker begins to realize that he/she is working for a
fraction of the compensation paid elsewhere in the world and begins to
revolt things may start to change. As it does, an American worker who
used to receive the equivalent of $50 to $90 per hour in pay and
benefits is going to have to adjust to living on half of that. The $300K
house he/she lives in is going to be worth $150K .

Sorry to sound so dismal, but that's how I see it.

Eisboch





You got it just about right. Sometimes I think the solution would be for
the congress critters to go to a grocery with their spouse or whoever
has been doing the shopping for the family (at least till they hit
washington and got handmaids to do their living for them). Gas is
double, milk is double, meat is double... Used to get gas for 2 bucks,
now it's 4, milk was 2, now it's 4 everywhere, beef was $1.79 lb,
average, now it's 4 dollars a pound, chicken (boneless breast) was on
sale for 1.29 a pound, now it's on sale for 2.39 and regularly priced at
about 3-4... I bought shorts the other day, 25 dollars, last year I
bought the exact same pair, at the same store (Wallyworld), 15 dollars...

Nobody is racing, and fortunately I don't see Harry's garbage so I can
mention this... An average race weekend was 350 - 500 dollars for tent
campers like ourselves, 1000 for mobile home owners. We are getting
begged by each and every org locally to come race, but with life in
general costing us about 200 dollars a week more than it did just two
years ago, we and about 65% of all the other racers in our divisions
just can't afford it.

Granted, we are small fish in a big ocean. Going racing this weekend for
only the third time this season, a local track, we can do a day race if
we wake at 4 am and drive in, brown bag lunch, make ice all week in
prep, refill water bottles with crystal light or similar... for about 90
dollars with gas and gate fees, the economy is killing our sport and we
come with 8 foot Jeep towing an 8 foot trailer...

You have an expensive hobby. We just booked 3 camping nights at Disney
and 1 day theme park tickets for $425. And that's for a hard sided
camper with wheels.

Well... Here is a breakdown from when we used to race regularly.

Gas for weekend for towing 40-60
Gas, oil, filters, filter oil, chainlube, topoffs etc for bike 40
Gate fees (racing fees) 140
Gate fees, two of us, two day camping overnight (80-120 depending on venue)
Ice (20)
food (Brown bagging, no frills) fruits, drinks, etc. (75)
If you blow a tire, or a clutch handle add (20-40) for misc. maintenance
parts, etc...

And I am only one racer, with a tent, a jeep, and two bone stock bikes.
Some of these guys have to add 2000 each month or two to rebuild heavy
racing engines, have three racers doing two classes a day (add 420
dollars to the weekend for racing, 80 for camping, 50 for food, 10 for
ice, and 60-100 for the gas for the mobile home/hauler. Oh, and usually
those teams bring the wife and those to young to race too...

I was talking to a young pro a few months back and we came to the
conclusion that this was the year for the "little slow rich kids", they
can get a jacket just by showing up for all the races in a season LOL,
and good for them!

Yes, it can be an expensive sport if you get too involved. This weekend
will cost 50 dollars gate fees, facility and racing one class. 40 for
gas for the day, truck and bike, and I already have the oil and filters
here so that would be another 17 dollars... We will totally brown bag
our food, not stay overnight, and we have been making ice all week...
Like I said, there is something to be said for the "no crybabies"
attitude of my rider...

On 8/5/2011 9:59 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/5/2011 9:42 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
On 8/5/2011 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X - Man" wrote in message ...


You right-wing circle jerkers wouldn't know "well-reasoned" from
"well-seasoned." You and several of your fellow low IQ righties don't
have the brain power to discern what is well-reasoned and what isn't.
Most of you barely got out of high school. You, Ingersoll, Canuckles,
your buddy the ID spoofer, et cetera, are the best argument against
social promotions.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Insults aside, there aren't any Ivy League college grads running around
with much of a clue about what to do either, including our wonderful
"leaders" in Congress.

Sometimes common sense serves better than college courses/degrees on
economics, especially when all the traditional rules have changed.

Hate to say it, but there is no simple solution. The revised cry for
"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" in DC are meaningless. There aren't any.
Any jobs created will be federally funded or subsidized "make work"
programs but there's no money to pay for them.

The real problem is not being addressed. The real solutions are not very
popular to many. Some of the TeaBagger's views unfortunately have some
merit. The USA cannot compete in a global economy like it did since the
end of WWII. Our economic growth was based on internal competition among
companies within the USA, giving rise to artificially high pay and
benefit packages when compared to the rest of the industrialized world.
The rise of countries like China as a major manufacturing country has
changed all that.

Expecting USA based companies to invest in manufacturing facilities in
the USA is a fairy tale. Isn't going to happen as long as they have to
compete with the manufacturing costs overseas. Demands that "Big
Corporations" pay their fair share of taxes sounds good and is justified
but collection of those taxes is a pimple on an elephants ass compared
to the revenues required to pay USA debt, let alone finance "make work"
programs.
Right now 60 percent of Americans receive more federal money and
benefits than they pay in taxes. 50 percent of Americans don't pay taxes
at all and both those percentage numbers are rising.

We may have no choice but to go back to basics. Entitlements will have
to be scaled back as will defense spending, foreign aid and all other
federal spending programs. Families will have to go back to taking care
of each other and pooling resources. Many in Europe and Asia have been
doing that for years.

When the Chinese worker begins to realize that he/she is working for a
fraction of the compensation paid elsewhere in the world and begins to
revolt things may start to change. As it does, an American worker who
used to receive the equivalent of $50 to $90 per hour in pay and
benefits is going to have to adjust to living on half of that. The $300K
house he/she lives in is going to be worth $150K .

Sorry to sound so dismal, but that's how I see it.

Eisboch





You got it just about right. Sometimes I think the solution would be for
the congress critters to go to a grocery with their spouse or whoever
has been doing the shopping for the family (at least till they hit
washington and got handmaids to do their living for them). Gas is
double, milk is double, meat is double... Used to get gas for 2 bucks,
now it's 4, milk was 2, now it's 4 everywhere, beef was $1.79 lb,
average, now it's 4 dollars a pound, chicken (boneless breast) was on
sale for 1.29 a pound, now it's on sale for 2.39 and regularly priced at
about 3-4... I bought shorts the other day, 25 dollars, last year I
bought the exact same pair, at the same store (Wallyworld), 15 dollars...

Nobody is racing, and fortunately I don't see Harry's garbage so I can
mention this... An average race weekend was 350 - 500 dollars for tent
campers like ourselves, 1000 for mobile home owners. We are getting
begged by each and every org locally to come race, but with life in
general costing us about 200 dollars a week more than it did just two
years ago, we and about 65% of all the other racers in our divisions
just can't afford it.

Granted, we are small fish in a big ocean. Going racing this weekend for
only the third time this season, a local track, we can do a day race if
we wake at 4 am and drive in, brown bag lunch, make ice all week in
prep, refill water bottles with crystal light or similar... for about 90
dollars with gas and gate fees, the economy is killing our sport and we
come with 8 foot Jeep towing an 8 foot trailer...

You have an expensive hobby. We just booked 3 camping nights at Disney
and 1 day theme park tickets for $425. And that's for a hard sided
camper with wheels.

Hey, I just reread your post, that's not too far off. Now if you figure
the logistics like food, ice, gas, etc.... Surely you get right up there
around a grand or more, right??