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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the premious owner
didn't do the change-over. I figure a little tank here, a hose there, a drain ?? Whatever ........... OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO. First: there is no room for a tank. Second: every boat owner I talk to say "put that tank in with a Y valve, never ever used the tank, it is just for show" What a pile of CRAP! Anyway ,, the question is what to do. All I want, meet the minimum requirement. Is there a way I can put in a tank, but not get into the hole in the boat for pump out? I am not near a pump out station anyway. In fact, no one I know except a couple of very large power boats have ever used the pump out station at the marine which is way far away. Any ideas of installing a tank that I can use like a porta potty. That is the answer, I think. Leave the same head in place, but have a tank I can take out of the boat. Give me a "head's" up. |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
NE Sailboat wrote:
Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the premious owner didn't do the change-over. Anyway ,, the question is what to do. All I want, meet the minimum requirement. There are a number of ways to solve your problem, but first I need a bit more information: How old IS the boat? What size is it? And what is the make/model/age of the toilet? Any ideas of installing a tank that I can use like a porta potty. That is the answer, I think. Leave the same head in place, but have a tank I can take out of the boat. You'd prob'ly be better off replacing the toilet if it's a small compact model that's more than a few years old...'cuz it's prob'ly worn out and so old that parts are no longer available for it. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
Dear Peggie ,, expert in all things ......... about the "head".
The make is Raritan. I don't have a model number but it is a very common type. Water from ocean is pumped in 3/4" inlet ... pumped through to a 1 1/2" outlet. It is the kind of head that every sailboat had, and many still have. The previous owner closed the inlet seacock, and disconnected the inlet hose as a way of showing that the head isn't used. But .. I don't think this is legal. The boat is a Bristol 32. I have looked over the area and there just isn't enough room to get all involved with a head tank. Where would I put it? And, how would I empty it? My boat seldom it ever goes near a marina. I am on a mooring or anchor. I could remove the head but then I would have no head and a big empty space and this might not be a good idea. I got to thinking of a porta potty. The one I looked at, West Marine, was of Walmart quality. JUNK. I have even thought of disconnecting the head but leave it in place. I guess if the outlet line is not connected, then I am legal. Is that right? Any good ideas? Thanks "Peggie Hall" wrote in message et... NE Sailboat wrote: Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the premious owner didn't do the change-over. Anyway ,, the question is what to do. All I want, meet the minimum requirement. There are a number of ways to solve your problem, but first I need a bit more information: How old IS the boat? What size is it? And what is the make/model/age of the toilet? Any ideas of installing a tank that I can use like a porta potty. That is the answer, I think. Leave the same head in place, but have a tank I can take out of the boat. You'd prob'ly be better off replacing the toilet if it's a small compact model that's more than a few years old...'cuz it's prob'ly worn out and so old that parts are no longer available for it. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304 |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
I'd be very surprised if there's not room for a holding tank. Perhaps under
the forward berth? A Google search for "bristol 32" "holding tank" yields a number of instances where it's been done. "NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:KkQjh.5001$6Z5.4494@trndny01... Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the premious owner didn't do the change-over. I figure a little tank here, a hose there, a drain ?? Whatever ............ OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO. First: there is no room for a tank. Second: every boat owner I talk to say "put that tank in with a Y valve, never ever used the tank, it is just for show" What a pile of CRAP! Anyway ,, the question is what to do. All I want, meet the minimum requirement. Is there a way I can put in a tank, but not get into the hole in the boat for pump out? I am not near a pump out station anyway. In fact, no one I know except a couple of very large power boats have ever used the pump out station at the marine which is way far away. Any ideas of installing a tank that I can use like a porta potty. That is the answer, I think. Leave the same head in place, but have a tank I can take out of the boat. Give me a "head's" up. |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
I just did the google and came up with nothing. Just a couple of boats that
said "have tank". As for the forward berth ..?? My plan is to never, ever use any tank I put on board. The whole thing is total bull ****. And Don Casey, in his book "This Old Boat" agrees with me! All I want to do is comply. What I would really like to do it some sort of porta potty. It makes sense since I am nowhere near a pump out, ever. ==== "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... I'd be very surprised if there's not room for a holding tank. Perhaps under the forward berth? A Google search for "bristol 32" "holding tank" yields a number of instances where it's been done. "NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:KkQjh.5001$6Z5.4494@trndny01... Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the premious owner didn't do the change-over. I figure a little tank here, a hose there, a drain ?? Whatever ........... OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO. First: there is no room for a tank. Second: every boat owner I talk to say "put that tank in with a Y valve, never ever used the tank, it is just for show" What a pile of CRAP! Anyway ,, the question is what to do. All I want, meet the minimum requirement. Is there a way I can put in a tank, but not get into the hole in the boat for pump out? I am not near a pump out station anyway. In fact, no one I know except a couple of very large power boats have ever used the pump out station at the marine which is way far away. Any ideas of installing a tank that I can use like a porta potty. That is the answer, I think. Leave the same head in place, but have a tank I can take out of the boat. Give me a "head's" up. |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
NE Sailboat wrote:
Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the prem[v]ious owner didn't do the change-over. My experience is anecdotal, but I too had the old boat-old head syndrome upon purchase. You will be popped by the Coast Guard if the head isn't in a disabled state upon inspection, assuming you're boarded less than three miles offshore. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, but if you're using your head overboard in harbors, etc., you're part of the problem, not the solution. There's scofflaws out there whose world will change once local agencies start pilling everybody's heads, something I'm in favor of. It really cleaned up Avalon. Are you sure there's no room for a holding tank? I installed an ornamental six gallon holding tank in a remote location, underneath the forward berths. A translucent plastic tank allows seeing how full it is without a complicated meter. I'd stay away from the flexible tanks. Six gallons means only a few uses before the tank is full; main thing is it passes the pill test. It's quite compact, but requires a small vent hose leading overboard (perish the day you clog it with sewage), a lot of expensive 1 1/2" MSD hose, and an on deck pumpout outlet. A Y valve which selects between the throughhull outlet and the tank lets you dump overboard where legal, and store the goo onboard while in harbor. A hand operated Whale Guzzler diaphram pump mounted in a locker in the deck outlet hose, combined with a short length of hose jammed into the deck outlet and leading overboard, allows pumping out offshore, although it's rather messy in a blow. I suppose you could go nuclear reactor and plumb so you can pump overboard through the throughhull too, complicated. There's some considerations on how all the hosing leads, so it drains properly and doesn't have low spots where sewage can collect. Peggy can help out with the particulars. The Y valve location is an issue around here; the Coasties don't want to see it where a toilet user can reach during head use. Best is a location in a locker not in the head compartment. A cable tie locking the valve in the tank position has been acceptable the last few times I've been boarded, and some Y valves have machine screw locks which take 20 turns to loosen, or of course a *locked* locker, both also acceptable. A big tank (30 gallons+-) would allow you to party for several days, or two frugal types could go for a month, when the commercial mobile pumpout service becomes viable. But that's a big tank suitable only for bigger boats, and a lot of crap to have festering for a month. And 250 pounds when full requires some bracing and has gotta affect racing trim g. Of course, carrying all that sewage around and the hosing, vent, etc., can create a stink problem. A partial solution is only pee in the tank configuration, hold in that crap until you're offshore or walk up and use the marina toilets. And if you do use it, do a thorough job at the pumpout station; run several dollops of fresh water through the head and pump them out too, so the tank, hoses, etc., are nice and clean. There's magic eco-bio additives that promote digestion which may decrease the stink if you "hold" sewage in your holding tank. Or tried and true formaldehyde (banned in some RV campgrounds). An alternative is a porta-pottie toilet, there are some nice ones out there, but they're necessarily bulky and may not fit in your head space. Also, disassembling and hoofing the poop tank ashore is a burden (6 gallons = 50 pounds). Many marinas frown on folks dumping porta-pottie tanks in their toilets; it's as if the Incredible Hulk took a dump which causes major clogs. The marina my boat's at will kick you out if you're caught. Dumping it overboard at sea is messy, too. And they can stink. One solution you may not have thought of is -- no head. Just a bucket with a nice removable seat (available commercially). Suggest cockpit use when privacy is available while crapping to limit cabin stink. Or, if safe, just hang your ass over the side. Put a slosh of seawater in first to limit skidmarks. Throw the sewage overboard when three miles off, swishing the bucket overboard when done. Or, if safe, just hang your ass over the side. There's a technique involved when at hull speed. Carry a bunch of quality plastic bags which fit the bucket and *can be sealed* for day sails and short harbor stays. Throw the used bags out with your garbage; totally legal, think diapers. Compliment the system with pee bottles, either throwaway bottled water bottles, or a reusable sturdy one (with a larger mouth) of larger size drainable into a toilet, etc. Five guys and a night of poker is about 2 gallons. Gals can use a Jenny spout. I'll jump on my high horse here and say that at least in this area, the government's grand scheme to provide convenient pumpout stations throughout the region has been a dismal failure, most of them are broken at any given moment. The marina operators, etc., don't want to pay to maintain them, claim vandalism is causing problems. The commercial pumpout guys hate 'em, why pay for something you can do yourself for free? |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
Cruise liner dumped it's holding tanks 3 miles out, problem was it
was in the Straits of Juan de Fuca! State is fining them $100,000. This is funny cause across the Straits, Victoria still dumps all its raw sewage in the Straits to the tune of 19 to 34 million gallons per day (depending on which estimate you use). And this hasn't caused any problems to anyones knowledge! Gordon |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
NE Sailboat wrote: The previous owner closed the inlet seacock, and disconnected the inlet hose as a way of showing that the head isn't used. But .. I don't think this is legal. Of course it isn't! You could just fill the head with a bucket and fire away. The Coast Guard's not a bunch of dummies. I have even thought of disconnecting the head but leave it in place. I guess if the outlet line is not connected, then I am legal. Is that right? That's right, I had mine that way (not using it) until hooking up the tank, and the Auxiliary guy said OK. It would be too much hassle to hook it up for use, and, it would take too long to disconnect when boarded. The hose removed, elsewhere and dry is good. The Coast Guard guys (and gals) are in a hurry and don't want to see you in a locker with a screwdriver saying "just a minute!" Put a flowerpot in the bowl. BTW, I'm not picking on the Coast Guard; Park Rangers, Sheriff's Patrol, Harbor Patrol, Fish and Game, Lifeguards, marinas, they all ought to be able to bust people who dump crap in no discharge zones. I see somebody doin' it, I report it. Funny thing is, for some, it's a habit. Peeing is less of an issue for me, swimming and all. Please read this: http://www.thelog.com/news/newsview.asp?c=199163 |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
After reading your explaination of heads, pump outs, y valves, hoses, tanks,
vent lines, etc. I'm going with the BUCKET. ================================================== === One solution you may not have thought of is -- no head. Just a bucket with a nice removable seat (available commercially). Suggest cockpit use when privacy is available while crapping to limit cabin stink. Or, if safe, just hang your ass over the side. Put a slosh of seawater in first to limit skidmarks. Throw the sewage overboard when three miles off, swishing the bucket overboard when done. Or, if safe, just hang your ass over the side. There's a technique involved when at hull speed. Carry a bunch of quality plastic bags which fit the bucket and *can be sealed* for day sails and short harbor stays. Throw the used bags out with your garbage; totally legal, think diapers. Compliment the system with pee bottles, either throwaway bottled water bottles, or a reusable sturdy one (with a larger mouth) of larger size drainable into a toilet, etc. Five guys and a night of poker is about 2 gallons. Gals can use a Jenny spout. ================================================== ============== I will take out the head that is there. I have so many other spring projects that the head will need to wait. When I take out the head, the hose lines for intake and outtake will still be there. Can I just cap them. I can close the seacocks, duh.. If I take out the head, and cap off the hoses, and close the sea cocks .. Am I now ok with the Coast Guard? ps;; where do I find this seat for the bucket? "axolotl" wrote in message ups.com... NE Sailboat wrote: Old sailboat, old head. No pumpout. Don't blame me, the prem[v]ious owner didn't do the change-over. My experience is anecdotal, but I too had the old boat-old head syndrome upon purchase. You will be popped by the Coast Guard if the head isn't in a disabled state upon inspection, assuming you're boarded less than three miles offshore. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, but if you're using your head overboard in harbors, etc., you're part of the problem, not the solution. There's scofflaws out there whose world will change once local agencies start pilling everybody's heads, something I'm in favor of. It really cleaned up Avalon. Are you sure there's no room for a holding tank? I installed an ornamental six gallon holding tank in a remote location, underneath the forward berths. A translucent plastic tank allows seeing how full it is without a complicated meter. I'd stay away from the flexible tanks. Six gallons means only a few uses before the tank is full; main thing is it passes the pill test. It's quite compact, but requires a small vent hose leading overboard (perish the day you clog it with sewage), a lot of expensive 1 1/2" MSD hose, and an on deck pumpout outlet. A Y valve which selects between the throughhull outlet and the tank lets you dump overboard where legal, and store the goo onboard while in harbor. A hand operated Whale Guzzler diaphram pump mounted in a locker in the deck outlet hose, combined with a short length of hose jammed into the deck outlet and leading overboard, allows pumping out offshore, although it's rather messy in a blow. I suppose you could go nuclear reactor and plumb so you can pump overboard through the throughhull too, complicated. There's some considerations on how all the hosing leads, so it drains properly and doesn't have low spots where sewage can collect. Peggy can help out with the particulars. The Y valve location is an issue around here; the Coasties don't want to see it where a toilet user can reach during head use. Best is a location in a locker not in the head compartment. A cable tie locking the valve in the tank position has been acceptable the last few times I've been boarded, and some Y valves have machine screw locks which take 20 turns to loosen, or of course a *locked* locker, both also acceptable. A big tank (30 gallons+-) would allow you to party for several days, or two frugal types could go for a month, when the commercial mobile pumpout service becomes viable. But that's a big tank suitable only for bigger boats, and a lot of crap to have festering for a month. And 250 pounds when full requires some bracing and has gotta affect racing trim g. Of course, carrying all that sewage around and the hosing, vent, etc., can create a stink problem. A partial solution is only pee in the tank configuration, hold in that crap until you're offshore or walk up and use the marina toilets. And if you do use it, do a thorough job at the pumpout station; run several dollops of fresh water through the head and pump them out too, so the tank, hoses, etc., are nice and clean. There's magic eco-bio additives that promote digestion which may decrease the stink if you "hold" sewage in your holding tank. Or tried and true formaldehyde (banned in some RV campgrounds). An alternative is a porta-pottie toilet, there are some nice ones out there, but they're necessarily bulky and may not fit in your head space. Also, disassembling and hoofing the poop tank ashore is a burden (6 gallons = 50 pounds). Many marinas frown on folks dumping porta-pottie tanks in their toilets; it's as if the Incredible Hulk took a dump which causes major clogs. The marina my boat's at will kick you out if you're caught. Dumping it overboard at sea is messy, too. And they can stink. One solution you may not have thought of is -- no head. Just a bucket with a nice removable seat (available commercially). Suggest cockpit use when privacy is available while crapping to limit cabin stink. Or, if safe, just hang your ass over the side. Put a slosh of seawater in first to limit skidmarks. Throw the sewage overboard when three miles off, swishing the bucket overboard when done. Or, if safe, just hang your ass over the side. There's a technique involved when at hull speed. Carry a bunch of quality plastic bags which fit the bucket and *can be sealed* for day sails and short harbor stays. Throw the used bags out with your garbage; totally legal, think diapers. Compliment the system with pee bottles, either throwaway bottled water bottles, or a reusable sturdy one (with a larger mouth) of larger size drainable into a toilet, etc. Five guys and a night of poker is about 2 gallons. Gals can use a Jenny spout. I'll jump on my high horse here and say that at least in this area, the government's grand scheme to provide convenient pumpout stations throughout the region has been a dismal failure, most of them are broken at any given moment. The marina operators, etc., don't want to pay to maintain them, claim vandalism is causing problems. The commercial pumpout guys hate 'em, why pay for something you can do yourself for free? |
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My HEAD, is killing me because my HEAD on the boat isn't legal
Am I the only one who see's how crazy the whole "head" problem is?
If I had the room, et all I would go and put in a tank in a heart beat. I still don't have a clue where I could ever pump it out though. As far as I can tell, there are NO pumpouts nearby. ============ Now to find a good bucket with a bucket seat! Where do I go for that? I may get original and come up with a THRONE! ================================= "Gordon" wrote in message ... Cruise liner dumped it's holding tanks 3 miles out, problem was it was in the Straits of Juan de Fuca! State is fining them $100,000. This is funny cause across the Straits, Victoria still dumps all its raw sewage in the Straits to the tune of 19 to 34 million gallons per day (depending on which estimate you use). And this hasn't caused any problems to anyones knowledge! Gordon |
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