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On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:24:42 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700,
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I believe things have changed a bit since Carter. Carter did what he
could.

He could have use a ground attack helicopter with air filters on the
engine intakes instead of the mine sweeping Sea Stallions they used.


He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was
used? On what planet?


On the planet where Carter thought he should be micro managing
everything.


Please show us something to suggest Carter designated which type of
helicopter to fly.


If I was a terrorist I might laugh at 150,000 regular GIs but 2 dozen
SEALs would scare the **** out of me.

What risk did Bush take?

Invading Iraq?

You mean lying and expecting not to get caught.

I think he just believed what he was told. The intel came from the
Brits and we know now it was bogus. Why not blame them a little. Again
you want this both ways. On one hand you think he was totally out of
touch and didn't know anything and then you have him being some kind
of evil genius


He and/or Cheney fabricated the intelligence to suit his desire. You
don't have to be particularly smart to foster lies.


And you are saying the flawed info from the brits had nothing to do
with it?


I'm saying that it seems to me that there was conflicting information,
and that he should have done his due diligence to sort it out.
Instead, he decided to accept it without vetting, and Cheney attempted
to get at Joe Wilson by outing an undercover CIA agent.



He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Does any president ever really get a vacation? The presidency follows
them wherever they go or I would really be worried about them walking
around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble.

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

It is just clear you do not understand how the president, any
president, travels. The White House comes with them.


It's clear that you're going to defend Bush no matter what. The "White
House" doesn't "come with them." They can do a bunch of stuff, but
it's not like you're on sight, talking to and meeting with all the
people.


What can't they do?


See previous. Sorry if you're having reading comprehension problems.

I do have some intimate information about exactly how the president
travels. My brother in law was the White House telephone support rep
pretty much living in EOB unless the president traveled, then he was
in the support plane. They took the whole White House switchboard with
them (a duplicate #5 crossbar, then later an ESS.) . He worked for
LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Reagan.
My neighbor did the same thing in the Air Force side, setting up the
secure data links for the phones, radios, computers and the
"football".
If they are at Camp David or their residence, all of that is already
there.
The president does not have to "see" anyone to get his job done.


Which has nothing to do with what I said previously.
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:29:31 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:20:37 -0700,
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He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Does any president ever really get a vacation? The presidency follows
them wherever they go or I would really be worried about them walking
around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble.

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

It is just clear you do not understand how the president, any
president, travels. The White House comes with them.

It's clear that you're going to defend Bush no matter what. The "White
House" doesn't "come with them." They can do a bunch of stuff, but
it's not like you're on sight, talking to and meeting with all the
people.

What can't they do?


See previous. Sorry if you're having reading comprehension problems.


"meeting all the people"? Is that what you mean?
You can have a meeting without being in the same room.


Sure. Feel free to defend Bush's 1/3 term vacation. I guess you must
not understand how important it is to meet face-to-face with people.
Do you think he imported all the people to Crawford for an hour
meeting.


FDR ran most of WWII from a sanitarium in Arkansas.


I think that was a few years ago. I'm sure it's applicable somehow.

I do have some intimate information about exactly how the president
travels. My brother in law was the White House telephone support rep
pretty much living in EOB unless the president traveled, then he was
in the support plane. They took the whole White House switchboard with
them (a duplicate #5 crossbar, then later an ESS.) . He worked for
LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Reagan.
My neighbor did the same thing in the Air Force side, setting up the
secure data links for the phones, radios, computers and the
"football".
If they are at Camp David or their residence, all of that is already
there.
The president does not have to "see" anyone to get his job done.


Which has nothing to do with what I said previously.


What did you say that makes that wrong?


See previous. I don't need to spend my time typing the same thing over
and over.
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 18:46:07 -0700, sent the
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:29:31 -0400,
wrote:


On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:20:37 -0700,
wrote:

He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Does any president ever really get a vacation? The

presidency follows
them wherever they go or I would really be worried about

them walking
around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble.

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had

lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at

least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and

I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

It is just clear you do not understand how the president, any
president, travels. The White House comes with them.

It's clear that you're going to defend Bush no matter what. The

"White
House" doesn't "come with them." They can do a bunch of stuff,

but
it's not like you're on sight, talking to and meeting with all

the
people.

What can't they do?

See previous. Sorry if you're having reading comprehension

problems.

"meeting all the people"? Is that what you mean?
You can have a meeting without being in the same room.



Sure. Feel free to defend Bush's 1/3 term vacation. I guess you must
not understand how important it is to meet face-to-face with people.
Do you think he imported all the people to Crawford for an hour
meeting.




FDR ran most of WWII from a sanitarium in Arkansas.



I think that was a few years ago. I'm sure it's applicable somehow.



I do have some intimate information about exactly how the

president
travels. My brother in law was the White House telephone support

rep
pretty much living in EOB unless the president traveled, then he

was
in the support plane. They took the whole White House

switchboard with
them (a duplicate #5 crossbar, then later an ESS.) . He worked

for
LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Reagan.
My neighbor did the same thing in the Air Force side, setting up

the
secure data links for the phones, radios, computers and the
"football".
If they are at Camp David or their residence, all of that is

already
there.
The president does not have to "see" anyone to get his job done.

Which has nothing to do with what I said previously.


What did you say that makes that wrong?



See previous. I don't need to spend my time typing the same thing

over
and over.


You should stop, then.
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 22:55:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 18:46:07 -0700,
wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:29:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:20:37 -0700,
wrote:

He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Does any president ever really get a vacation? The presidency follows
them wherever they go or I would really be worried about them walking
around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble.

He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of
interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in
between riding around his ranch and watching TV.

Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not
talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard.

It is just clear you do not understand how the president, any
president, travels. The White House comes with them.

It's clear that you're going to defend Bush no matter what. The "White
House" doesn't "come with them." They can do a bunch of stuff, but
it's not like you're on sight, talking to and meeting with all the
people.

What can't they do?

See previous. Sorry if you're having reading comprehension problems.

"meeting all the people"? Is that what you mean?
You can have a meeting without being in the same room.


Sure. Feel free to defend Bush's 1/3 term vacation. I guess you must
not understand how important it is to meet face-to-face with people.
Do you think he imported all the people to Crawford for an hour
meeting.


FDR ran most of WWII from a sanitarium in Arkansas.


I think that was a few years ago. I'm sure it's applicable somehow.



Yeah it was in a time when you either talked on the phone or you sent
a telegram.

Bush had video conferencing, the internet and a communication system
worthy of the starship enterprise.


Actually, even the White House itself is nothing like we see on TV.
There have been ongoing complaints that even the phones don't work, so
I don't know where you're getting this "inside" info.

Who was he going to have this meeting with that was could not be had
on a conference call?


Maybe you should talk to Obama.

You keep saying Cheney was running the country anyway.


And, this absolves Bush?

Who runs the country when Obama decides to take his wife to Chicago on
a date or he flies down to Alabama for a photo op next to a blown up
trailer?


Big difference isn't it, since he's not gone for weeks/months at a
time. But, of course, Obama is terrible and Bush was ok.

BTW in this regard I have always given Clinton credit.
Carter had to go back to Georgia for adventures with killer rabbits,
Bush and Reagan had to go to the ranch to clear brush but Clinton
could just slip out into the hall for a 5 minute blowjob and he was
back on the job, refreshed and ready to go, That was efficiency.


And, that's just terrible isn't it. Oh how the right loves to condemn
him. All from the holier than thou who were incredibly hypocritical.
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