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@mypacks.net says... On 3/1/11 10:06 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Sorry, my boat burns diesel. I don't have any problems paying for it. And I'm not dumb enough to mess with the engines. I keep the engines and the engine "room" clean, I look for leaks, I check fluid levels, et cetera. Just about anything beyond that, I call the diesel service company. Wow this from the person that claimed he took "several mechanical engineering courses". Harry has a great strategy for engine service, let someone else do it. I guess that's ok if you only run your engine three hours a year, but we do that in a morning here. We have to break them down pretty ofter, and uh, just like a garage, sometimes we make mistakes... Indeed, I only let skilled professionals perform serious service on my boat, car, lawn tractor, et cetera, engines. After all, why would I want this sort of experience: "I was chasing a thread on the intake and in a hurry. After I ran a bolt through I somehow dropped it into the intake and I just don't know. I did have a chaser, and a small wrench in the hand as I turned away, and just never noticed the small "test" bolt was not there... I still can't believe it..." Scott Ingerfoll, motorcycle mechanic. Harry, do you think that because someone is a "skilled professional" that that means they never drop anything? You ARE stupid. |
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On Mar 1, 10:14*am, Harryk wrote:
On 3/1/11 10:06 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Sorry, my boat burns diesel. I don't have any problems paying for it. And I'm not dumb enough to mess with the engines. I keep the engines and the engine "room" clean, I look for leaks, I check fluid levels, et cetera. Just about anything beyond that, I call the diesel service company. Wow this from the person that claimed he took "several mechanical engineering courses". Harry has a great strategy for engine service, let someone else do it. I guess that's ok if you only run your engine three hours a year, but we do that in a morning here. We have to break them down pretty ofter, and uh, just like a garage, sometimes we make mistakes... Indeed, I only let skilled professionals perform serious service on my boat, car, lawn tractor, et cetera, engines. After all, why would I want this sort of experience: "I was chasing a thread on the intake and in a hurry. After I ran a bolt through I somehow dropped it into the intake and I just don't know. I did have a chaser, and a small wrench in the hand as I turned away, and just never noticed the small "test" bolt was not there... I still can't believe it..." * * * * * * * * * * Scott Ingerfoll, motorcycle mechanic. You know, I did kinda the same thing several years ago when I was Drag Racing. While replacing the Timing Gear Set, and Chain on my 318 Chrysler, I dropped one of the mounting bolts down the front end of the exposed Oil Pan. The good thing was that the pan was shallow at the front.The viscous oil slowed the bolt, and it stopped before going too far. I retrieved it with a Mechanics Magnet. The engine was still in the car. If the bolt had traveled farther, it would have dropped into the deep end of the pan. That would have been a lot tougher to retrieve. Not impossible enough to have to pull the engine, though. |
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"Harryk" wrote in message m... Sorry, my boat burns diesel. I don't have any problems paying for it. And I'm not dumb enough to mess with the engines. I keep the engines and the engine "room" clean, I look for leaks, I check fluid levels, et cetera. Just about anything beyond that, I call the diesel service company. I didn't see the origins of this thread and don't have any interest in the ****ing contest associated with it. However, the topic ... and the subject of marine diesel engines and their service is something of interest to me and I offer the following, based on some experience. Unless you already have knowledge or training in diesels, I would strongly recommend that anyone with a diesel powered boat take a basic course in their operation, service and emergency procedures. These courses are available at adult education programs in high schools, vocational schools and by Coast Guard sponsored adult education programs. Most of us are familiar with gas powered engines and the basic operating issues associated with them. Diesels are a different animal however. I got caught once on the way to Florida where we ducked into a obscure marina for the night due to some wild thunderstorms. There was nobody around at the marina. When I went to shut down the engines, one of them would not stop. Long story short, it turned out to be a tripped resettable fuse that actuates the fuel shutoff solenoid. (Volvo diesels). It took me over an hour talking to a Volvo representative on my cell phone to finally get the engine shut down. Had I taken the course I referred to before setting out on this voyage, I would have known how to shut the engine down, even if I had not discovered the tripped fuse. Had another experience on the Egg Harbor we had. Took 6 people out cod fishing (drift fishing) about 35 miles out from home port. After several hours of fishing, I went to fire up the Cats to take us home and one would not start. It was getting snotty ... wind picking up and heavy chop developing. I lucked out to find a poorly seated cable harness plug to the fuel pre-heater on the turbo. That was pure luck. The electronic controls interlocked the starter so the engine could not be started until the heater reached a certain temperature. Not a lot of fun bouncing around in the chop, 35 miles from shore with 6 people aboard getting sick. BTW ... both of these occurrences happened on new boats with less than 100 hours on one and less than 50 hours on the other. There's also issues to learn like changing filters while underway in a manner that doesn't cause the fuel lines to get air bound. Or how to get a diesel running again after the fuel lines get air in them. Many newer diesels have automatic fuel line purge systems, but that still doesn't mean the engine is going to start easily. There's a technique that should be used to get the engine running easily again. I ended up taking a basic diesel engine course at a adult education program at a local high school. Well worth it. I learned things I never knew about diesel engines and felt much more confident about my ability to resolve minor issues while underway that otherwise could become a major problem. Learned how to stop a diesel engine that is in "runaway" mode, for example. Rare occurrence but scary as hell if it happens. The course instructor encouraged us to bring the engine manuals for our specific engine types and he spent some time individually going over some of the unique issues with our engines as well as more general, generic diesel engine issues. Modern diesels have many electronic controls to operate, monitor and protect their operation. Makes them easier to run and maintain, but can be a real bitch if something goes wrong. The older diesels just required fuel, air and enough juice in the battery to turn the starter motor over in order to run. Not so anymore. Eisboch |
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On 3/2/11 7:28 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 02:59:10 -0500, wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message m... Sorry, my boat burns diesel. I don't have any problems paying for it. And I'm not dumb enough to mess with the engines. I keep the engines and the engine "room" clean, I look for leaks, I check fluid levels, et cetera. Just about anything beyond that, I call the diesel service company. I didn't see the origins of this thread and don't have any interest in the ****ing contest associated with it. However, the topic ... and the subject of marine diesel engines and their service is something of interest to me and I offer the following, based on some experience. Unless you already have knowledge or training in diesels, I would strongly recommend that anyone with a diesel powered boat take a basic course in their operation, service and emergency procedures. These courses are available at adult education programs in high schools, vocational schools and by Coast Guard sponsored adult education programs. Most of us are familiar with gas powered engines and the basic operating issues associated with them. Diesels are a different animal however. I got caught once on the way to Florida where we ducked into a obscure marina for the night due to some wild thunderstorms. There was nobody around at the marina. When I went to shut down the engines, one of them would not stop. Long story short, it turned out to be a tripped resettable fuse that actuates the fuel shutoff solenoid. (Volvo diesels). It took me over an hour talking to a Volvo representative on my cell phone to finally get the engine shut down. Had I taken the course I referred to before setting out on this voyage, I would have known how to shut the engine down, even if I had not discovered the tripped fuse. Had another experience on the Egg Harbor we had. Took 6 people out cod fishing (drift fishing) about 35 miles out from home port. After several hours of fishing, I went to fire up the Cats to take us home and one would not start. It was getting snotty ... wind picking up and heavy chop developing. I lucked out to find a poorly seated cable harness plug to the fuel pre-heater on the turbo. That was pure luck. The electronic controls interlocked the starter so the engine could not be started until the heater reached a certain temperature. Not a lot of fun bouncing around in the chop, 35 miles from shore with 6 people aboard getting sick. BTW ... both of these occurrences happened on new boats with less than 100 hours on one and less than 50 hours on the other. There's also issues to learn like changing filters while underway in a manner that doesn't cause the fuel lines to get air bound. Or how to get a diesel running again after the fuel lines get air in them. Many newer diesels have automatic fuel line purge systems, but that still doesn't mean the engine is going to start easily. There's a technique that should be used to get the engine running easily again. I ended up taking a basic diesel engine course at a adult education program at a local high school. Well worth it. I learned things I never knew about diesel engines and felt much more confident about my ability to resolve minor issues while underway that otherwise could become a major problem. Learned how to stop a diesel engine that is in "runaway" mode, for example. Rare occurrence but scary as hell if it happens. The course instructor encouraged us to bring the engine manuals for our specific engine types and he spent some time individually going over some of the unique issues with our engines as well as more general, generic diesel engine issues. Modern diesels have many electronic controls to operate, monitor and protect their operation. Makes them easier to run and maintain, but can be a real bitch if something goes wrong. The older diesels just required fuel, air and enough juice in the battery to turn the starter motor over in order to run. Not so anymore. Eisboch Would only add that in many areas the proper place to see this training is the local Community College.... Several of the diesel distributors run those sorts of courses. http://www.mackboring.com/training/B..._Training.aspx |
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On 3/3/11 7:39 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... Would only add that in many areas the proper place to see this training is the local Community College.... Drumming up some business Professor? You have a problem with community colleges? |
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In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 3/3/11 7:39 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... Would only add that in many areas the proper place to see this training is the local Community College.... Drumming up some business Professor? You have a problem with community colleges? When I want to interact with you I'll throw a rock with a note wrapped around it down your landlord's stairs into your basement hovel. |
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