Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:30:03 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:35:26 -0800, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:58:03 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:34:45 -0800, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:51:06 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:28:31 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

"I_am_Tosk" wrote in message
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In article ,
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:11:11 -0500, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Listen up... if you walk into a used car lot and buy a car with cash,
you just drive out. The salesperson isn't going to ask you about
insurance.

Listen up.. No matter how many times you say it, it isn't true, at least
not here in CT. Might be in Kaliforna, but only to accommodate illegals
and derelicts... But not in CT. Every car sale is recorded, cash or
otherwise, the Tax man wouldn't have it any other way.





As I suspected, California has online linkage between DMV and the
insurance company and a cop can check your insurance from his car.+
Five years ago.

http://dmv.ca.gov/vr/insurance_suspension.htm

Here are some things you need to know about recent vehicle liability
insurance changes:

* As of January 1, 2006, all insurance companies are required to
report insurance status information to DMV for all private use
vehicles (CVC §16058).
* As of July 1, 2006, law enforcement and court personnel have
access to DMV records to verify that your California registered
vehicle is currently insured (CVC §16058.1).
* Effective October 1, 2006, your vehicle registration is subject
to suspension if the liability insurance is canceled, OR if your
insurance company has not electronically provided evidence of
insurance when you purchase and register your vehicle, OR if you
provide DMV with false insurance information (CVC §4000.38).

That's a lot of homework for the Plum. I think as soon as she noted the
"cash" thing, we all knew she was talking out of her ass... again. In CT
like you said in Fla, when someone drops insurance, the authorities are
notified right away.


Reply:
Buying a car for cash from a private party you do not have to show
insurance. And the lack of insurance takes a while to kick in. I sold my
96 s10 and the person failed to register the car in a timely manner. We
file a document with the DMV when you sell a car that removes you from the
liability for the car. I got a letter months later about expired insurance.
But that is more a problem with the DMV and their crappy records system.


The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to
that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care
around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the
ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no
good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or
driving a getaway car.

This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going
back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just
regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened
criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people.


The people who had this happen to them at my wife's place were just
driving back and forth to work too.

This is just stupid.

Call the cops, tell them your insurance expired and you still have to
drive to work a few days until you can get it reinstated. Use your
cutest girl voice. Tell us what they say. I bet the words "arrest" and
"Impound your car" come up.

That's just dumb. Come on.


Don't answer until you make the call. Do it from a pay phone.

Don't worry. This has nothing at all to do with them towing a car for
no other reason that a possible lapse in insurance.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:34:21 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:39:08 -0800, wrote:

BTW this is why I have been saying for years, insurance companies
should be titling cars and issuing tags. They are the ones with the
skin in the game and the databases the cops use anyway.
The whole thing could be rolled up into one national database and
eliminate 51 state (remember DC) operations that are not that good
about talking to each other

National db? Perhaps administered by insurance companies? Or, by the
gov't??? Sounds like a police state to me...

Insurance companies already maintain a national database. That was my
point.
The insurance company database is a whole lot more accurate than the
police database unless the police link to the insurance companies,
which they do in Florida.

Why do we need the police anyway? Why not just hire the insurance
companies to do it all? Sheesh..

We still need the cops to enforce the law. I am talking about the
insurance companies doing the bookkeeping since they already do most
of it anyway.

Why?

A better job for less money. Keeping 51 separate databases that do not
talk to each other is just stupid.

No... my question was why do we need the cops? Why not just let the
for-profit companies do it, since they're so much better than public
employees?

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:52:41 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:41:54 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:17:15 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:33:53 -0800, wrote:

"Auto insurance is mandatory and driving without the proper
documentation can lead to significant fines or even suspension of your
license."


Since we talked last, my wife had another incident at work (a server's
car is stranded in the community until he gets insurance) and she
asked her deputy. He says the policy is based on the idea that driving
without insurance is illegal and letting a person driving away from
you when you know they are uninsured could make the county liable if
there was an accident, in addition to ignoring an ongoing illegal
activity.

Stranded? How's that? What if the payment was sent, but there's a
screw up with the insurance company (that never happens, right?). You
really believe the car is going to get towed? Doesn't sound like her
worker's car got towed either.

Stranded in the sense that the cop says he will tow the car when the
guy drives it out of the gate..

Sure. I'm positive he's sitting there day and night waiting for that
to happen. A bunch of nonsense.


If the insurance company screwed up, you fix it with the insurance
company. The cop does not care. It would be the same thing if you said
you paid all of those parking tickets, they still tow your car once
the warrant is issued and you stay on the "tow" list until the
computer says you are cleared.
Certainly mistakes are made and people get arrested all the time over
mistakes but they still stay arrested until it gets straightened out.
You have really lived a sheltered life. You certainly do not seem to
know much about how cops operate.

They're not going to tow your car unless you've done something else.
That's just paranoia.

You definitely don't know how cops operate. They're mostly decent
people who give people a break when they can.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:03:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:42:16 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:29:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:45 -0800, wrote:

They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we
speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and
a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen
telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner..
This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars,
wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner
of that tag.
This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ...
as soon as they justify the cost.

Sure... ok, we'll just hang around until they get that working...

The camera system works great, they are just testing the public
perception. It will probably come down to cost.

On the plus side, the majority of felony arrests come from traffic
stops in one way or another. The cop has a huge advantage as soon as
you get in your car particularly if they can find an excuse to tow the
car. Driving is not a right it is a privilege (or so they say) and you
sign away most of your rights as soon as you get in a car.
(certainly amendment 4, 5, 6 &7)

Not for checking insurance it doesn't.


They may stop you for "insurance" but while they have you they can;
Make everyone get out and show ID
Search everyone in the car, ostensibly for weapons
search the passenger compartment of the car, ostensibly for weapons
call in a drug dog for a sniff
ask you all sorts of questions about anything they think is
"suspicious"
... and here they will check your immigration status but it is really
on your DL.
Of course if anyone in the car "pops" on the computer they are going
for a ride and that is where most of the felony arrests come from.
That is why they think it is worth the cop's time.

They would have to have some excuse. Sure, if you're sticking a gun
out the window, they're going to crawl all over you. You're
backpeddling, as no cop is going to bother running plates on every car
he sees, so that he can find one that doesn't have insurance.

If they do have cause to impound the car it has to be "inventoried" so
even if you did manage not to give permission for a full search (a lot
harder to do than you learned in law school), it just happened.

Again, all a bunch of a nonsense scenario that would never happen.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:04:30 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:42:54 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:00:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:33:01 -0500, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ...
as soon as they justify the cost.

I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a
Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to
which you're referring.

Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it.

http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195

Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion!

I love the way they keep harping on it's ability to find stolen cars.
BFD, and bull****.. This is going to quickly morph into finding parking
ticked violators, tax evaders, and any other violation involving not
giving money to the state or town. They already use these in big cities
in conjunction with tow services and just drive around looking for folks
who owe parking tickets and such.

To make Plume happy I am sure they will also use it to catch child
support deadbeats. If you pop on that in a traffic stop you are going
away too in Florida. (for the legal eagles, it is an open contempt of
court warrant)

Which has nothing to do with being stopped BECAUSE your insurance may
or may not be out of date.

That is just another thing that gets you stopped.

No it isn't. No cop is going to stop you because you lack insurance.
It might be a consequence of some other problem, but not due solely to
lack of insurance. It's complete nonsense.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:04:30 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:42:54 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:00:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:33:01 -0500, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ...
as soon as they justify the cost.

I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a
Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to
which you're referring.

Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it.

http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195

Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion!

I love the way they keep harping on it's ability to find stolen cars.
BFD, and bull****.. This is going to quickly morph into finding parking
ticked violators, tax evaders, and any other violation involving not
giving money to the state or town. They already use these in big cities
in conjunction with tow services and just drive around looking for folks
who owe parking tickets and such.

To make Plume happy I am sure they will also use it to catch child
support deadbeats. If you pop on that in a traffic stop you are going
away too in Florida. (for the legal eagles, it is an open contempt of
court warrant)

Which has nothing to do with being stopped BECAUSE your insurance may
or may not be out of date.

That is just another thing that gets you stopped.

No it isn't. No cop is going to stop you because you lack insurance.
It might be a consequence of some other problem, but not due solely to
lack of insurance. It's complete nonsense.

Don't you ****ing get it you thick headed moron? They are not going to
take on the liability of letting you drive without insurance, period!!!
Just like they are not going to let you go just because you are a
"little drunk"... Moron...

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:38:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:28:27 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:56:06 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H
wrote:


I've been pushing to have chips implanted in the necks of babies as they're
born, similar to those implanted in dogs and cats.

Then we wouldn't need all these damn cameras. Chips are cheap. They could even
be programmed so that medical procedures could be tracked. Once a set amount is
spent on healthcare, they explode.

Wouldn't need Obama's death panels then either.

:)

I am ready for my chip. If I could get on a plane faster or get
through the checkout line faster, it would be worth it.
I want it in the second finger of my left hand. Then when someone
wanted to see my ID I would just hold it up and show it to them.

And it would be easily removable if your hand ever got caught between a rock and
a hard place.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

On 3/2/11 7:11 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:04:30 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:42:54 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:00:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:33:01 -0500, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ...
as soon as they justify the cost.

I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a
Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to
which you're referring.

Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it.

http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195

Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion!

I love the way they keep harping on it's ability to find stolen cars.
BFD, and bull****.. This is going to quickly morph into finding parking
ticked violators, tax evaders, and any other violation involving not
giving money to the state or town. They already use these in big cities
in conjunction with tow services and just drive around looking for folks
who owe parking tickets and such.

To make Plume happy I am sure they will also use it to catch child
support deadbeats. If you pop on that in a traffic stop you are going
away too in Florida. (for the legal eagles, it is an open contempt of
court warrant)

Which has nothing to do with being stopped BECAUSE your insurance may
or may not be out of date.

That is just another thing that gets you stopped.

No it isn't. No cop is going to stop you because you lack insurance.
It might be a consequence of some other problem, but not due solely to
lack of insurance. It's complete nonsense.

Don't you ****ing get it you thick headed moron? They are not going to
take on the liability of letting you drive without insurance, period!!!
Just like they are not going to let you go just because you are a
"little drunk"... Moron...


It's always mildly humorous when the dumbest poster in rec.boats, scott
ingerfool, refers to others as morons.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

Stranded? How's that? What if the payment was sent, but there's a
screw up with the insurance company (that never happens, right?). You
really believe the car is going to get towed? Doesn't sound like her
worker's car got towed either.
Stranded in the sense that the cop says he will tow the car when the
guy drives it out of the gate..

If the insurance company screwed up, you fix it with the insurance
company. The cop does not care. It would be the same thing if you said
you paid all of those parking tickets, they still tow your car once
the warrant is issued and you stay on the "tow" list until the
computer says you are cleared.
Certainly mistakes are made and people get arrested all the time over
mistakes but they still stay arrested until it gets straightened out.
You have really lived a sheltered life. You certainly do not seem to
know much about how cops operate.
She lives in a land of milk and honey. She cant see or won't
acknowledge there is a fly swimming around in it. Poor baby.

Winning elections is not good enough
 

That is just another thing that gets you stopped.

No it isn't. No cop is going to stop you because you lack insurance.
It might be a consequence of some other problem, but not due solely to
lack of insurance. It's complete nonsense.

Don't you ****ing get it you thick headed moron? They are not going to
take on the liability of letting you drive without insurance, period!!!
Just like they are not going to let you go just because you are a
"little drunk"... Moron...


It's always mildly humorous when the dumbest poster in rec.boats,
scott ingerfool, refers to others as morons.
Call him a moron if you want but he's absolutely correct. Even a broken
clock tells the correct time twice a day.