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Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:40:19 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:47:52 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:38:03 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:21:42 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:38:27 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:21:07 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:51:18 -0500, John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:49:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:00:38 -0800, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:19:25 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:09:49 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: I don't think many are shot at in Germany and Japan, but I think it's probably time to start moving them home. It can't all be done in a moment. This won't have much of an effect either way, since it needs to be a relatively slow process. Why? What are they protecting? The Soviets are gone. It's a nice way of handing over a bunch of Foreign aid, send a bunch of Americans over and pay them to become a part of another countries economy for a few years. Not saying there is no need for a presence, I don't know the details, but still... We probably have a better reason to be in Japan than Europe but make no mistake, it is just to be a staging area for restarting the Korean war. In any case, you can't just give them a call and tell them to get on the next plane. Why not? They could certainly be gone in 180 days and that is a blink in government talk. If we donated the equipment to the German military, we could be out of there in much less than 180 days. Sounds like socialism to me.... We call it foreign aid. All of our foreign aid combined is about 1% of the budget or some similarly small number. I guess taxing rich people an extra 4% might cover it. What do you think. When in doubt change the subject huh? You mentioned foreign aid, so you're the one who's trying to change the subject. No I just explained the bookkeeping they would use for donating the equipment they left on the ground in Germany So the "bookkeeping" isn't actually foreign aid? Ok, why did you mention it then? |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:47:16 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:51:32 -0800, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:51:21 -0500, wrote: Sure thing! I guess that was the same sort of decision that was made post WW1. That worked out pretty well, didn't it. False equivalency again. Really? Well, you just got done saying you don't care about the German economy. That's what we said after WW1. Do you really think the best way to help the German economy is to occupy them? No. I think the best thing for the US to do is to carefully reduce our presence there without damaging their economy. Yet we keep kicking that can down the road too. Yes. So? You're so skeptical that we can't reform our tax code, but you have no problem believing we can get out of all our commitments (treaty and otherwise) in 180 days. I am skeptical that we would do either but I know we could and should. Yet you're promoting one vs. the other. I don't see any justification for that. Maybe we can get rid of some nukes... oh wait, this was opposed by all those fiscal conservative Republicans. Nukes are probably the most cost effective weapons system we have if you are looking about a deterrent from another super power. Which super power would that be? China? I don't think they're interested. Why is China building a stealth fighter? Why do they still have a bunch of nukes themselves and the missiles to get them here? Do you think that's going to help them collect on the debt we owe them? Seems kinda dumb to me. I agree we have more than we need. The problem is disposing of them is more expensive than storing them. Most are technically "disarmed" though from what we are told. The triggers are not with the booster. Disarmed? Huh? If it's so expensive, and we've already disarmed them, why are we spending billions on them? "Billions is not a lot in the DoD budget." Yeah, I guess $50+ billion isn't that much... That is still not where most of the money goes. It goes into "jobs" building hardware we don't need that are scattered across 435 congressional districts. And, your solution is.... I told you before, transfer the money and the jobs to infrastructure improvements. I know! I know! Don't vote for the treaty! I am in favor of drawing down the nukes. A few hundred is a credible deterrent. I just don't expect it to save much money. Look it up. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:17:15 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:33:53 -0800, wrote: "Auto insurance is mandatory and driving without the proper documentation can lead to significant fines or even suspension of your license." Since we talked last, my wife had another incident at work (a server's car is stranded in the community until he gets insurance) and she asked her deputy. He says the policy is based on the idea that driving without insurance is illegal and letting a person driving away from you when you know they are uninsured could make the county liable if there was an accident, in addition to ignoring an ongoing illegal activity. Stranded? How's that? What if the payment was sent, but there's a screw up with the insurance company (that never happens, right?). You really believe the car is going to get towed? Doesn't sound like her worker's car got towed either. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:29:12 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:45 -0800, wrote: They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. Sure... ok, we'll just hang around until they get that working... The camera system works great, they are just testing the public perception. It will probably come down to cost. On the plus side, the majority of felony arrests come from traffic stops in one way or another. The cop has a huge advantage as soon as you get in your car particularly if they can find an excuse to tow the car. Driving is not a right it is a privilege (or so they say) and you sign away most of your rights as soon as you get in a car. (certainly amendment 4, 5, 6 &7) Not for checking insurance it doesn't. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:00:01 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:33:01 -0500, I_am_Tosk wrote: This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! I love the way they keep harping on it's ability to find stolen cars. BFD, and bull****.. This is going to quickly morph into finding parking ticked violators, tax evaders, and any other violation involving not giving money to the state or town. They already use these in big cities in conjunction with tow services and just drive around looking for folks who owe parking tickets and such. To make Plume happy I am sure they will also use it to catch child support deadbeats. If you pop on that in a traffic stop you are going away too in Florida. (for the legal eagles, it is an open contempt of court warrant) Which has nothing to do with being stopped BECAUSE your insurance may or may not be out of date. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:02:36 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:18:29 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! So, I guess, being as stupid as you are, you think a stolen car has something to do with lack of insurance. Maybe you should search the article for the word "insurance" and get back to us with the result. They search the database and respond to any hit. That was a puff piece, trying to minimize everything that this system will do. Look... cops are not driving around aiming cameras at cars to figure out if the owners have insurance. That's just nonsense. It might come up during a stop, probably would, but that's a long way from what you're proposing. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:56:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That is part of the problem. if they have your tag, the time and the place from every camera you pass, tracking your every move becomes increasingly doable. Of course if you have a new cell phone, they have you anyway. You can turn off your phone but the tag will still be out there. I really believe tags will go away soon and you will just have an RFID tag in your car that links to all of the databases I'm betting that most righties would be fine with it until they figure out it applies to them, as well as Hispanics. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:28:27 -0500, John H
wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:56:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:24:15 -0500, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:58:20 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:43:21 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... The buyer still has to come up with a tag and the insurance is tied to that tag. I can't speak for everywhere but the wrong tag on a care around here is a "felony stop". ( get out of the car, lay on the ground, don't make any fast moves) The assumption is you are up to no good, car theft at the minimum but you could be a drug courier or driving a getaway car. This all sounds like a paranoid fantasy to me. Most illegals are going back and forth to work. They avoid doing stupid things and are just regular people trying to get by. Sure, sometimes there are hardened criminals doing dirty deeds. This has nothing to do with most people. Most people just buy insurance and do things by the book. Co-ordination between insurance companies and DMV's have no doubt caused some people to buy insurance when they would have previously gone uninsured. Some of those systems can probably be gamed too. Illegals most often just ride with a legal motorist. But anybody who doesn't care about the law for whatever reason can buy a used car on the street and steal tags. Happens all the time. The smarter ones avoid vanity plates like CUDDLY4U. Just go with something like 154 823L. Cops aren't running tags enough to affect that. But it could happen. The tollway cameras and red light cameras could be advanced to go real time and notify nearby cops of hits on stolen tags and lack of insurance coverage. Matter of time and politics. Some would consider it too "Big Brother." There's already squawking about red-light cameras. I have mixed feelings about it. Might not bother me if I was running the show. Don't know yet, as it hasn't affected me and I don't know enough about it. They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That is part of the problem. if they have your tag, the time and the place from every camera you pass, tracking your every move becomes increasingly doable. Of course if you have a new cell phone, they have you anyway. You can turn off your phone but the tag will still be out there. I really believe tags will go away soon and you will just have an RFID tag in your car that links to all of the databases I've been pushing to have chips implanted in the necks of babies as they're born, similar to those implanted in dogs and cats. Then we wouldn't need all these damn cameras. Chips are cheap. They could even be programmed so that medical procedures could be tracked. Once a set amount is spent on healthcare, they explode. Wouldn't need Obama's death panels then either. :) Maybe we could weed out people like you quicker. I'm all for it. |
Winning elections is not good enough
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:00:42 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... They are testing the camera in the cop car that scans tag here as we speak. It uses OCR to read the tag, the on board computer runs it and a few seconds later the cop has a message flashing on the screen telling him everything there is to know about the car and the owner.. This is not just for insurance, it is also Amber alerts, stolen cars, wants, warrants or whatever else you can glean from a tag or the owner of that tag. This is still in testing but expect it on a cop car near you soon ... as soon as they justify the cost. I noticed what appeared to be a radar gun mounted on the left rear bumper of a Fairfax County Police car the other day. I wonder if that was the camera to which you're referring. Well...now I know. Glad you mentioned it. http://www.elsag.com/detail.asp?i=195 Nincdepoop should get a charge out of that privacy invasion! That same technology is being used by repo men in densely populated areas. They run through parking lots at malls and sports arenas and get a hit on a vehicle up for repo and then the automatically get a work order from the finance company to repo the vehicle. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/au...pagewanted=all Which has nothing to do with an out of date insurance issue. |
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