On 20/02/2011 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:13:33 -0700,
wrote:

On 20/02/2011 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:11:28 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:26:17 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:00:23 -0800, wrote:

You think using a majority to supress the people and
votes of the opposition is fair play?

Oh like the 111th congress? You folks said the republicans should suck
it up and go along. When they didn't you said they were
obstructionists.
Aren't the Wisconsin democrats shutting down the government?
Where is your outrage?
I wonder what their constitution says about legislators who abandon
their jobs? Perhaps the governor can simply replace them. In real
life, I imagine all they have to do is walk through and spit in the
lobby to demonstrate that they are still working.

We are going to be entering uncharted territory though. Nobody really
knows what happens when a state files for bankruptcy. How do they
discharge their debts when they don't have the money and they can't
just print it like the federal government does. Will they try to print
some kind of scrip and see if people would take it? Are they just
going to tell their debtors to sue them?

We better get used to questions like this because the whole country
has a "Greece" moment coming. I doubt our protests will be as peaceful
as Egypt or even Greece. It might be more like Warsaw 1944 except the
populace is better armed. ;-)

There's no "Greece" or Egypt "moment" coming. That's a paranoid
fantasy.

Agreed, it will be at least a generation of poverty.

Agreed, you're an idiot with no business acumen.

Tell that to my accountant.

Tell her yourself. Oh wait, you don't need an accountant, since you're
on the dole.

Actually it is a he. Has been doing my taxes since 1994 or so, just got
too complex, gain this rate, dividend that rate, this type of dividend
is foreign tax credits, currency exchange...50 sheets at least.

Something you will never have a problem with.

--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:41:37 -0500, L G wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:



Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

and how's wall street doing after sucking 10 trillion out of the
economy in the last 3 years? we back at full employment?

Wall Street again? Businesses don't suck money from the economy, blind
man. They conduct business with strict rules in place.

HAHAHAHAH what rules?

you' are SUCH a MORON!!

they DEREGULATED WALL STREET WHEN THEY REPEALED GLASS STEAGALL you
CLOWN!!

there WERE NO REGULATIONS on collateralized debt obligations at ALL.

that's why they went from 320 BILLION in 97

to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

is there ANY reason that happened besides GREED?? even alan greenspan
admitted this

there is NO evidence that will convince you you're right wing
mythology is a fairy tale

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:20:00 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:41:37 -0500, L G wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:



Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

and how's wall street doing after sucking 10 trillion out of the
economy in the last 3 years? we back at full employment?

Wall Street again? Businesses don't suck money from the economy, blind
man. They conduct business with strict rules in place.

Bob doesn't understand Wall street created that $10 trillion in the
first place, there was no real money to "suck out". We loved the money
while we thought it was real but it wasn't. All that happened was the
ponzi failed, as they all do.

gfretwell doesnt understand that countires can, and do, collapse,
primarly because the wealthy get too greedy. he ignores egypt and
mexico which are both imploding for this exact reason

to the right, this cant happen here. why?
well...ummm...ahem..well...god won't permit it.

we're EXACTLY in the position of egypt. small, wealthy ruliing
class...lower social mobility than SWEDEN

and they just hide their heads in teh sand and ignore history

hey...tune your TV to the news channels. tell me how wonderful the
rich are doing in egypt, OK?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:53:47 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:


The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too

he's RIGHT! let's do what the conservatives say!

welfare ONLY for the RICH! starve the middle class!


Well, you keep voting for it. Ever wonder where all that Obama spend
really goes? I mean REALLY goes?

HHAHAHAHA you're the right wing fool! YOU voted for welfare for the
rich. not me, sport

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:33:57 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 19/02/2011 9:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:20:45 -0500, John
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:12:52 -0600, Boating All wrote:

In ,
says...

And then there is DEA that serves no function at all except to pioneer
new ways to take our rights.
expanded unwarranted searches
surveillance beyond the worst things NSA does
property abuses
Swat raids that kill innocents
etc
... and doing absolutely nothing to stem the flow of drugs

Don't forget prisons to house drug violation offenders.
The "war on drugs" is a huge and expensive disgrace.

Speaking of prisons....

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...rrectional.htm

Beautiful, ain't it?

More nonsense BS from a crazy person.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/architecture/prison.asp

Yep, Obama style Club Fed. Just incase Obama gets locked up.

So, you've just proven that you're either 1) illiterate 2) lazy.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:58 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2011 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:53:21 -0700,
wrote:

On 20/02/2011 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:28:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

So what. That's a long-term problem not a short term one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rming_soc.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...shortfall.html

Social Security reform is about ripping people off that paid far too
much into it. Hey, they got your money now they don't want to pay good
on the promise. DC is welshing in the people, their own people.

Hey, it should be eliminated. But the tax and employers part should be
contributed to an account in the employees name, in the employees
account and under their control, and not able to withdraw until 60 or
so. And withdrawals need to be controlled as not to blow it on drugs
and the like.

This way government skimming and bamboozling can't diminish its value.

Pooling money schemes, be they government SS or defined plans, they are
garbage plans designed to hide the skimming and slight.

In an ideal world, the idea of government pension is a good one. But
the real world, such pooled plans always get the political corruption to
rip people off as money like that attracts liberal leaches and political
parasites bad.

In your name, in your account and in your control. That is where you
want your pension and retirement. Keeps it away from the greedy liberal
spenders.

You're brainless.

Your broke.

If you believe it, then it must be true.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:37:13 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:28:20 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:01:11 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:17:10 -0500, wrote:



Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

What is untrue? You don't think SS and Medicare are a budget buster in
the out years?

SS/MC are not in trouble right now. They will be if nothing is
changed, but NOT RIGHT NOW.


WTF? Both are paying out more than they take in. In any other business
that is called running at a loss. There is no likely scenario that
will make that get any better. One of the current proposals is to
remove the FICA tax altogether so they do not have to perpetuate this
lie of "insurance" or "an investment". SS/Medicare will just become
welfare. That will make it easier to ration, means test and alter
benefits.

So what. That's a long-term problem not a short term one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rming_soc.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...shortfall.html


That chart in link 2 assumes an unrealistic rise in GDP and the idea
that the salaries of the people paying in will rise that fast too.
Talk to Bob about how that has been going. The problem is demographic
and you don't have a chart to dispute that.

No matter what chart or what fact I show you, you're not going to
change your mind. So, what's the point?

On 20/02/2011 7:03 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:53:47 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:


The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too

he's RIGHT! let's do what the conservatives say!

welfare ONLY for the RICH! starve the middle class!


Well, you keep voting for it. Ever wonder where all that Obama spend
really goes? I mean REALLY goes?

HHAHAHAHA you're the right wing fool! YOU voted for welfare for the
rich. not me, sport

I didn't vote for Obama nor Bush. Deciding which banks/businesses get
bailed out by who the big depositors and creditors are doesn't work for
me, but I profited by following it. Hey, just because I don't agree
with it does not mean I didn't or shouldn't profit from it. Emotions
and stocks should be like church and state, separate.

The best USD based trick though was buying a load of Ford (NYSE:F) for
$2.25 and less and selling north of $7. Triple the money and in gains
in less than a year. I figured GM would be bailed out and Ford actually
benefited because so many suppliers are linked.

Hey, liberalism in ponzi debt has been good for me. You can't make this
kind of money in a stable well balanced economy and good honest money
management by government. No sir, the liberalism churns it up for big
swings.

--
Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:38:21 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2011 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:41:45 -0700,
wrote:

On 19/02/2011 7:09 PM, wrote:

Did you know 74% of Whitehouse staff got a 9% raise last year? Piggies
are having a feast while others suffer.

Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Agreed. The cuts have to go deep and *no* sacred cows spared. Even
congressional, senate and administration budgets need the big axe.
Duplicated agencies collapsed into one with massively reduced budgets.
What, is there 5 or 7 housing agencies? Why not one that is color
blind? Or why even have a housing agency as states/cities do their own
civic planning?

The cuts will need to be deep to be effective.

But it is also why I am betting they will not do it. Sad to say, US
government bankruptcy is inevitable as I don't believe in politicians
being this "American" to save the country from eventual currency based
bankruptcy. $60 billion is hardly a scratch. Thy need another $1,600
billion. The cuts are not even 5% of what is needed to balance up. A
joke really.

Now if congress refuses the debt/money expansion say for 3 months and DC
government checks bounce to send the message... I will re-assess the
politicians desire to remain solvent.

Until then people need to start thinking of currency as a rapidly
depreciating asset. $1 today is effectively $0.95 next week in
purchasing power.

Fortunately, you have no say in what happens in this great country.

Suits me fine. I realized some time ago I am 1/7,000,000,000 of the
higher order predators on this planet, and by luck being born in North
American and by getting off my arse, I didn't pretty good.

First lesson is you or I are not going to change a damn thing. But how
we work with what is presented to us is key for our own successes.

So how is that Obama sized debt work'in for ya?

Suits me even more. You're about as much a predator as is a
hummingbird. You're a loser and useless human being who sits on his
butt and complains.

You are __certainly__ not going to change anything. I agree with that!

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:39:33 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2011 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:55:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 19/02/2011 9:05 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:23:49 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 4:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 9:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:01 am, need wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...



On 2/18/11 10:44 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
The Obamanations are not interested in democracy as shown by what is
happening in Wisconsin. When the other side wins the election, they
engage in an illegal walkout to prevent legislation. Remember "Card
Check" where they tried to deny people the right to vote on
unionization? They have no interest in Democracy, they are interested
in raw power.
Winning the election was not good enough because they do not recognize
who won. When that happens, the next step is..................

...right-wing racist-birthers like you move to another country?

Yes, we know you are trying to clear this group for your 2012 propaganda
run. Remember how each and every Progressive here answered Tim's call
for civility with a defined, NO, NO, NO!?

Here is your story.
Democrats, being thugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsn...layer_embedded

Here is another "brave" liberal, attacking old women...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFdaz_VUJE

Here is another advocate of "free speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDqG...1&feature=fvwp

I wonder if our friend Donnie was in this crowd?

http://www.breitbart.tv/hate-rally-p...ca-with-trash-
left-behind/

Oh, did you notice Tim doesn't post here anymore?

The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.

The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too.

I think you should move to Yemen immediately. I'm sure they'd welcome
your dislike of gov't.

Have more peaceful places to consider. I wouldn't move to a Muslim
country for any reason.

Don't worry, they won't let you in. Either would Panama or Costa Rica
if they find out what you'd be doing/saying about their gov't.

Funny, I have already been told I more than qualify and the bank already
provided me with the reference I need. Looking at some properties now.
And I didn't say anything bad about Panama or Costa Rica...

When I go out on a boat fishing, I will not think of you. Do have to
bone up on my Spanish though.

Funny... you should leave immediately.

Not for a bit yet. Besides, I already check, I can get Internet down
there to pester you. If we move I will give you a month or two break.
Then rub it in.

Sure. Right. You don't have the basic instinct to do more than sit and
complain.