bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:



Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

and how's wall street doing after sucking 10 trillion out of the
economy in the last 3 years? we back at full employment?

Wall Street again? Businesses don't suck money from the economy, blind
man. They conduct business with strict rules in place.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:12:52 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

And then there is DEA that serves no function at all except to pioneer
new ways to take our rights.
expanded unwarranted searches
surveillance beyond the worst things NSA does
property abuses
Swat raids that kill innocents
etc
... and doing absolutely nothing to stem the flow of drugs

Don't forget prisons to house drug violation offenders.
The "war on drugs" is a huge and expensive disgrace.

It's a tiny portion of the Federal budget.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:20:45 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:12:52 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

And then there is DEA that serves no function at all except to pioneer
new ways to take our rights.
expanded unwarranted searches
surveillance beyond the worst things NSA does
property abuses
Swat raids that kill innocents
etc
... and doing absolutely nothing to stem the flow of drugs

Don't forget prisons to house drug violation offenders.
The "war on drugs" is a huge and expensive disgrace.

Speaking of prisons....

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...rrectional.htm

Beautiful, ain't it?

More nonsense BS from a crazy person.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/architecture/prison.asp

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:09:38 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:31:39 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, wrote:


Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

Where do I start....

- eliminate bailouts
- eliminate money for nothing programs
- 1/2 of military spending, chop (troops come home)
- wage roll back for all DC civis earning over $50k/year
- except for Social Security/Disability/Vets, the social programs get
hacked, no more "free" housing and kickbacks.
- want education spending, show results or try something different
- work towards outlawing government debt expansion
- SEC, start throwing corrupt into jail and confiscating their assets
(RICO). He Wagoner, bank CEOs watch this one.
- foreign aid, eliminated, US taxpayers should not be funding other
countries debts and dysfunction.

Did you know 74% of Whitehouse staff got a 9% raise last year? Piggies
are having a feast while others suffer.

Cutting half of the DoD budget is a good start but if you ignore
SS/Medicare you will never get a handle on the deficit.

The rest may be good symbolism but they are insignificant.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:23:49 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 4:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 9:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:01 am, need wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...



On 2/18/11 10:44 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
The Obamanations are not interested in democracy as shown by what is
happening in Wisconsin. When the other side wins the election, they
engage in an illegal walkout to prevent legislation. Remember "Card
Check" where they tried to deny people the right to vote on
unionization? They have no interest in Democracy, they are interested
in raw power.
Winning the election was not good enough because they do not recognize
who won. When that happens, the next step is..................

...right-wing racist-birthers like you move to another country?

Yes, we know you are trying to clear this group for your 2012 propaganda
run. Remember how each and every Progressive here answered Tim's call
for civility with a defined, NO, NO, NO!?

Here is your story.
Democrats, being thugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsn...layer_embedded

Here is another "brave" liberal, attacking old women...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFdaz_VUJE

Here is another advocate of "free speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDqG...1&feature=fvwp

I wonder if our friend Donnie was in this crowd?

http://www.breitbart.tv/hate-rally-p...ca-with-trash-
left-behind/

Oh, did you notice Tim doesn't post here anymore?

The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.

The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too.

I think you should move to Yemen immediately. I'm sure they'd welcome
your dislike of gov't.

Have more peaceful places to consider. I wouldn't move to a Muslim
country for any reason.

Don't worry, they won't let you in. Either would Panama or Costa Rica
if they find out what you'd be doing/saying about their gov't.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:40:15 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:38:16 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Feb 18, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:26:17 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:00:23 -0800, wrote:

You think using a majority to supress the people and
votes of the opposition is fair play?

Oh like the 111th congress? You folks said the republicans should suck
it up and go along. When they didn't you said they were
obstructionists.

They never went along with anything. What R's do best is obstruct,
even when it's in the best interest of their constituents and the
country.

Aren't the Wisconsin democrats shutting down the government?
Where is your outrage?

I like it when Gov't gets shut down. It forces people to confront the
issues.

I wonder what their constitution says about legislators who abandon
their jobs? Perhaps the governor can simply replace them. In real
life, I imagine all they have to do is walk through and spit in the
lobby to demonstrate that they are still working.

The governor is using strong arm tactics to undermine collective
bargaining. It's happening all over the country in areas where R's
only interest is in serving the wealthy and big business by
undercutting unions.

We are going to be entering uncharted territory though. Nobody really
knows what happens when a state files for bankruptcy. How do they
discharge their debts when they don't have the money and they can't
just print it like the federal government does. Will they try to print
some kind of scrip and see if people would take it? Are they just
going to tell their debtors to sue them?

It'll be good if it happens. People will have to deal with the
reality of government going into complete disfunction. All those who
believe that government is evil will be crying like little babies.

We better get used to questions like this because the whole country
has a "Greece" moment coming. I doubt our protests will be as peaceful
as Egypt or even Greece. It might be more like Warsaw 1944 except the
populace is better armed. ;-)

Oh, you mean the right wing is better armed. This is what all the
jerks have been spoiling for. We're going to do a little cleansing in
the USA?

There is going to be a counter protest at the Wis Capitol organized by
Breitbart. Union/Obama thugs should carefully consider before they
resort to violence the consequences of such.

Maybe he'll shoot some video, doctor it, then claim they've taken
control of the White House.

Should be renamed the Debt House.

Maybe you should rename your house the Loony House.

On 2/19/2011 11:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:12:52 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In ,
says...
And then there is DEA that serves no function at all except to pioneer
new ways to take our rights.
expanded unwarranted searches
surveillance beyond the worst things NSA does
property abuses
Swat raids that kill innocents
etc
... and doing absolutely nothing to stem the flow of drugs
Don't forget prisons to house drug violation offenders.
The "war on drugs" is a huge and expensive disgrace.
It's a tiny portion of the Federal budget.
No date tonite Jessica?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:04:53 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:08:32 -0800, wrote:

Scroll down to the total spending section. The agencies you listed
would still have to be covered elsewhere. What you're suggesting
cutting would be miniscule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

I agree. You just asked what we could do without.
The only thing that will make a dent in the deficit is defense and the
entitlements.

So, then why do you think we can do without the other areas? The nukes
are in the DoE, but I guess education isn't too important either.

We managed to build all the currently operating reactors before the
department of energy. If anything they have stifled the production of
carbon free energy.

And, you don't see to care if they're safe or not. Certainly, we don't
want any regulatory agency involved. What total nonsense.




We also do not have a clue how we are going to handle the exploding
entitlements. That is what is going on in California and this week,
Wisconsin. They have thousands of government retirees with unfunded
pensions they can't cover. The problem with the federal government is
80 million boomers entering Social Security/Medicare who want the same
deal their parents got. It ain't gonna happen but we still won't tell
them.

Again and again... this is a LONG TERM problem not a short term
problem.

Taxing the rich sounds like an attractive idea and I hope they do it
but it is still chump change compared to the size of the problem.
If you took the total net worth of the Forbes 400 richest Americans it
would still barely cover the deficit next year and you would have
killed the goose that lays the eggs because you would have liquidated
all of their companies.

The top 400 people make as much as the bottom 50%... that's what 100M
people vs 400!

I understand what you are saying but if you add up their total net
worth it is about 1.5 trillion.

And, they shouldn't be taxed, certainly not an extra 4%!! That would
be too much to handle for them, apparently.


They should be taxed more but don't expect that to fix the deficit.

It would go a long way toward doing just that.



That money is not real anyway. Bill Gates has 40 billion in Microsoft
stock but it he tried to sell it, the price would drop to zero pretty
fast. Most of their fortunes are funny money ... like the SS trust
fund or the crap that passed for money in the mortgage business a few
years ago. It is paper people call money, until you actually try to
get it out and spend it.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. So what?

Our deficit is far beyond what 400 people can cover.

So, you think that completely eliminating the deficit is that
important? It isn't.

Nobody ever said "completely" but it is 40% of all spending right now
and things are not looking better in the out years without some
serious changes.

It's about 10% of GDP. Not good, but not terrible, esp. compared to
the 1940s.


That is also the fatal flaw in privatizing Social Security. You could
certainly see big increases in apparent value but that would fall off
pretty fast as soon as you cashed it in.
We simply do not have enough money coming into the system to support
the boomers. It doesn't matter it is social security or your 401k. You
still have 2-3 kids supporting each old person.

Defense spending needs to be decreased. Some taxes (on the top
earners) needs to go up. SS/Medicare need to have changes over time.

I agree we need to raise taxes but that does not fix SS/Medicare. We
simply have a problem with the number of retired people vs the number
of workers.
The only thing that will fix this is raising the retirement age and
trimming benefits but that is still the 3d rail. Unfortunately
business has used their pension plans to balance their bottom line by
rolling employees into pension plans and getting them off the payroll,
lowering the effective retirement age to 55 or even 50 when the real
age should be closer to 75 if you look at life expectancy. These
people are also taking their SS at 62.

It would be 30 years before that's much of a problem. There are plenty
of things that can be done. You act like withdrawing money is somehow
damaging to the system. It isn't.

We are already in trouble.

We are NOT already in trouble with SS/Medicare. That's just right-wing
fear bs.


That also helps the employment problem, on paper, by removing the
number of people looking for a job. We just don't know how you pay for
it. Yes I am a perfect example of the problem. IBM pushed me out the
door, on full pension, at 49. It is very possible, even likely, that I
will be retired, longer than I worked.Since they are not putting money
into the pension plan, it is also likely that it will go broke,
throwing it back on the government.

I'd suggest putting your money where your mouth is. Sounds to me
you're well enough off to do without some of the benefits.


It wasn't my choice. I was laid off. They said I could keep coming in
if I wanted to but they were not going to pay me anymore.

So, you're bitter about it. Sorry for your loss, but leave the rest of
the country out of your paranoia.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:03:08 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 10:26 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:00:23 -0800, wrote:

You think using a majority to supress the people and
votes of the opposition is fair play?

Oh like the 111th congress? You folks said the republicans should suck
it up and go along. When they didn't you said they were
obstructionists.
Aren't the Wisconsin democrats shutting down the government?
Where is your outrage?
I wonder what their constitution says about legislators who abandon
their jobs? Perhaps the governor can simply replace them. In real
life, I imagine all they have to do is walk through and spit in the
lobby to demonstrate that they are still working.

We are going to be entering uncharted territory though. Nobody really
knows what happens when a state files for bankruptcy. How do they
discharge their debts when they don't have the money and they can't
just print it like the federal government does. Will they try to print
some kind of scrip and see if people would take it? Are they just
going to tell their debtors to sue them?

We better get used to questions like this because the whole country
has a "Greece" moment coming. I doubt our protests will be as peaceful
as Egypt or even Greece. It might be more like Warsaw 1944 except the
populace is better armed. ;-)

Unlikely USA will be quite like Greece. US will have a failing
currency, rapid inflation as the USD is debased as a worlds reserve.
Already happening really, as this week I saw the highest spread between
WTI and Brent prices I have ever seen. Which indicates the USD is
loosing its world reserve currency status.

Chinese are significantly reducing their USD held debt. DC is basically
borrowing its own money in a ponzi scheme. Create $600 billion in
bonds, then US Fed buys them as no one else will. I can assure you that
that will eventually lead to the destruction of the USD as a currency.

And I hear Obama be out of money in March. Best thing Congress can do
is let everyone's DC check bounce for a month or two, to send a message.
I mean this seriously. As DC liberals are delinquent debtors out of
control.

You are so ignorant it hurts.

Completely untrue and misleading as usual.
Untrue and misleading. Is that right Jessica?