On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, Moose wrote:

On 2/18/2011 6:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/02/2011 9:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:01 am, need wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...



On 2/18/11 10:44 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
The Obamanations are not interested in democracy as shown by what is
happening in Wisconsin. When the other side wins the election, they
engage in an illegal walkout to prevent legislation. Remember "Card
Check" where they tried to deny people the right to vote on
unionization? They have no interest in Democracy, they are interested
in raw power.
Winning the election was not good enough because they do not recognize
who won. When that happens, the next step is..................
...right-wing racist-birthers like you move to another country?
Yes, we know you are trying to clear this group for your 2012 propaganda
run. Remember how each and every Progressive here answered Tim's call
for civility with a defined, NO, NO, NO!?

Here is your story.
Democrats, being thugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsn...layer_embedded

Here is another "brave" liberal, attacking old women...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFdaz_VUJE

Here is another advocate of "free speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDqG...1&feature=fvwp

I wonder if our friend Donnie was in this crowd?

http://www.breitbart.tv/hate-rally-p...ca-with-trash-
left-behind/

Oh, did you notice Tim doesn't post here anymore?
The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.
The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too.
I think you should move to Yemen immediately. I'm sure they'd welcome
your dislike of gov't.
Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

jps wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:33:15 -0500, I am
wrote:


In articleQoKdnQ0dOd8PAcPQnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/18/11 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.

You're still crazy after all these years, birther.

Now everyone who doesn't believe in Harry's exact view of things is a
birther.....WAFA

Plonk!

That, too. Cut and run. No debate.

jps wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:43:48 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:


On Feb 18, 11:33 am, I am wrote:

In articleQoKdnQ0dOd8PAcPQnZ2dnUVZ_g6dn...@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...




On 2/18/11 11:15 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


The lefties do not recognize elections and routinely attack any
dissent and then blame everyone else. Their own shot Gifford and they
blamed Palin. Lefties eventually always resort to mass murder as
Obama's best friend Bill Ayers said he wanted when he said he wanted
to kill 20 million Americans.


You're still crazy after all these years, birther.

Now everyone who doesn't believe in Harry's exact view of things is a
birther.....WAFA

The next step is for those who refuse to accept the results of
elections to leave

Lunatic.

Moron.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:20:04 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


The liberal lefties up here are the same. Irrational zealots of telling
others they will pay for their welfare. Nosy types too

he's RIGHT! let's do what the conservatives say!

welfare ONLY for the RICH! starve the middle class!

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:43:29 -0500, Moose wrote:


Are you the only fool that thinks government is doing a good job?

and how's wall street doing after sucking 10 trillion out of the
economy in the last 3 years? we back at full employment?

jps wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:11:11 -0500,
wrote:


"Union/Obama thugs." Further proves your blind partisan idiocy.

Can't post under your own ID? Plonk!

When will you?

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:57:25 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:50:36 -0800, wrote:

Please tell us which part of government you'd like to do without.

TSA
Homeland Security
Department of Energy
Department of education

Sure... no airport security
Sure... no security coordination
Sure... no energy policy or research
Sure... no coordinated education

shall I go on?

You're quite a humanitarian and patriot.

These functions were handled better before we created a bloated
bureaucracy to do it

Really? How's that? Who's going to do all those functions?

And then there is DEA that serves no function at all except to pioneer
new ways to take our rights.
expanded unwarranted searches
surveillance beyond the worst things NSA does

So, we shouldn't worry about meth and drug gangs. Power of the market
don't you know. Name some examples of unwarranted searches. Maybe you
have some personal experience you'd like to share? More nonsense about
your "privacy" rights, but you don't mind when all your personal data
is shared by banks and corporations. Of course, you don't want to
regulate those groups.

property abuses
Swat raids that kill innocents
etc

?? Where/when? Oh, I get it.. you're still fixated on Ruby Ridge.

... and doing absolutely nothing to stem the flow of drugs

Nothing at all or just not very well?

More right-wing, pseudo libertarian nonsense

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:44:30 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:29:01 -0800, wrote:

We better get used to questions like this because the whole country
has a "Greece" moment coming. I doubt our protests will be as peaceful
as Egypt or even Greece. It might be more like Warsaw 1944 except the
populace is better armed. ;-)

There's no "Greece" or Egypt "moment" coming. That's a paranoid
fantasy.

I guess you were absent the day they taught arithmetic.

Why don't you find something a little more biting if you're trying to
insult me.

I apologize, that was snarky.

Apology accepted.



Are you denying the deficit is a problem and that the entitlements are
unsustainable?

Never denied it. What I'm denying is that it's a short-term problem.
It's a long-term problem. Obama's recent budget addressed it in the
long term to the tune of $1.1 T (some things I don't agree with, but
that's another story). Of course Sen. Sessions said it didn't go deep
enough, but of course he proposed nearly the exact same deficit
reduction amount a short while ago.

$1.1T is trivial compared to the problem. That barely covers where we
are now and there are only a small fraction of the boomers on the
public dole. If he can't touch the current deficit, how will he handle
the hockey stick that is in the next decade?
I don't think the GOP is really talking about it either.

They're talking about when it suits them. Sessions was talking about
it along with the rest of the right-wing nuts. They would love to gut
all the social programs. I'd say that it's in their DNA, except they
don't believe in science.


That is what brought down the Greek economy

We are not Greece... I know that's an incredible statement for some
people...

No we are not Greece. The world could survive a total collapse of
Greece. When the US gets a cold, the world gets pneumonia.

We are not even close to a "collapse"... guess you didn't hear but the
economy is getting better.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:38:38 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:25:37 -0800, wrote:

Are you denying the deficit is a problem and that the entitlements are
unsustainable?

Never denied it. What I'm denying is that it's a short-term problem.
It's a long-term problem. Obama's recent budget addressed it in the
long term to the tune of $1.1 T (some things I don't agree with, but
that's another story). Of course Sen. Sessions said it didn't go deep
enough, but of course he proposed nearly the exact same deficit
reduction amount a short while ago.

$1.1T is trivial compared to the problem. That barely covers where we
are now and there are only a small fraction of the boomers on the
public dole. If he can't touch the current deficit, how will he handle
the hockey stick that is in the next decade?
I don't think the GOP is really talking about it either.

They're talking about when it suits them. Sessions was talking about
it along with the rest of the right-wing nuts. They would love to gut
all the social programs. I'd say that it's in their DNA, except they
don't believe in science.

I have said many times the GOP doesn't want to address this either.
If they cut every dime out of the discretionary budget it would not
cover the deficit in the very early out years.

Scroll down to the total spending section. The agencies you listed
would still have to be covered elsewhere. What you're suggesting
cutting would be miniscule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget


That is what brought down the Greek economy

We are not Greece... I know that's an incredible statement for some
people...

No we are not Greece. The world could survive a total collapse of
Greece. When the US gets a cold, the world gets pneumonia.

We are not even close to a "collapse"... guess you didn't hear but the
economy is getting better.


No I didn't. If you did it was a puff piece. We are no where near
replacing the jobs we have lost over the last few decades. Bob has
this one right. We don't make anything here, at least not in any
quantity sufficient to employ the middle class.

Check again. Things are getting better. Jobs need to come back, but
most other indicators are doing better.

Nothing you suggested doing would improve the job situation.

We also do not have a clue how we are going to handle the exploding
entitlements. That is what is going on in California and this week,
Wisconsin. They have thousands of government retirees with unfunded
pensions they can't cover. The problem with the federal government is
80 million boomers entering Social Security/Medicare who want the same
deal their parents got. It ain't gonna happen but we still won't tell
them.

Again and again... this is a LONG TERM problem not a short term
problem.

Taxing the rich sounds like an attractive idea and I hope they do it
but it is still chump change compared to the size of the problem.
If you took the total net worth of the Forbes 400 richest Americans it
would still barely cover the deficit next year and you would have
killed the goose that lays the eggs because you would have liquidated
all of their companies.

The top 400 people make as much as the bottom 50%... that's what 100M
people vs 400!

That money is not real anyway. Bill Gates has 40 billion in Microsoft
stock but it he tried to sell it, the price would drop to zero pretty
fast. Most of their fortunes are funny money ... like the SS trust
fund or the crap that passed for money in the mortgage business a few
years ago. It is paper people call money, until you actually try to
get it out and spend it.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. So what?

That is also the fatal flaw in privatizing Social Security. You could
certainly see big increases in apparent value but that would fall off
pretty fast as soon as you cashed it in.
We simply do not have enough money coming into the system to support
the boomers. It doesn't matter it is social security or your 401k. You
still have 2-3 kids supporting each old person.

Defense spending needs to be decreased. Some taxes (on the top
earners) needs to go up. SS/Medicare need to have changes over time.

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:53:49 -0500, I am Perfect wrote:

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:48 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Feb 18, 2:17*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:11:29 -0800, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:26:17 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:00:23 -0800, jps wrote:

You think using a majority to supress the people and
votes of the opposition is fair play?

Oh like the 111th congress? You folks said the republicans should suck
it up and go along. When they didn't you said they were
obstructionists.
Aren't the Wisconsin democrats shutting down the government?
Where is your outrage?
I wonder what their constitution says about legislators who abandon
their jobs? Perhaps the governor can simply replace them. In real
life, I imagine all they have to do is walk through and spit in the
lobby to demonstrate that they are still working.

We are going to be entering uncharted territory though. Nobody really
knows what happens when a state files for bankruptcy. How do they
discharge their debts when they don't have the money and they can't
just print it like the federal government does. Will they try to print
some kind of scrip and see if people would take it? Are they just
going to tell their debtors to sue them?

We better get used to questions like this because the whole country
has a "Greece" moment coming. I doubt our protests will be as peaceful
as Egypt or even Greece. It might be more like Warsaw 1944 except the
populace is better armed. *;-)

There's no "Greece" or Egypt "moment" coming. That's a paranoid
fantasy.

For some it's a sexual fantasy involving their big guns.

A true liberal, jps wishes violence against those he disagrees with.
Do the Libs really want to incite violence against those who support
the constitution?

Ah, yes, wrap yourself in the flag and the constitution. You'd better
because you've got no clothes otherwise.

Accusing libs of wanting to incite violence is laughable. It's the
knee jerk wingers who resort to threats and violence when they can't
win. Who are the idiots who open carry when the president is coming
to visit? Are those liberals or "conservatives?"

Who marches with signs about blood being necessary to keep the tree of
freedom alive? Those are liberals? For someone with a brain, you
sure have some insane ideas. If you're an idiot savant, your gift is
surely not in understanding politics or people.

One guy with a long gun, compared to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71gsn...layer_embedded

Here is another "brave" liberal, attacking old women...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVFdaz_VUJE

Here is another advocate of "free speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDqG...1&feature=fvwp

I wonder if our friend Donnie was in this crowd?

http://www.breitbart.tv/hate-rally-p...ca-with-trash-
left-behind/

Plonk away, but these are the facts. Liberals including the one in the
Whitehouse are doing everything you have suggested above. Here it is in
full color. The best you have is Pelosi lying about something she said
happened on the steps of congress and one guy with a long gun that saw a
rally and stopped by as far as you know.

You keep saying the conservatives are the ones pushing violence and
destruction yet the video shows just the opposite.

Please show what facts you have that Pelosi lied.

I sure hope that was a joke.

No, I'd like you to tell me how you know that Pelosi lied about
something happening on the steps of congress.