On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:34:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

It's OK. I had a pretty good opinion of liberals, until I encountered Harry, et
al, here. So, I guess we're even, except that I've got a valid rationale for my
opinion.

Harry is way beyond liberal, giving them a bad name in fact. Very
few liberals advocate over throw of the free enterprise system and
nationalization of corporations the way he does. Basically he has
some sort of personality disorder which causes him to strike out at
anything that reminds him of his tormented youth.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:47:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:34:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

It's OK. I had a pretty good opinion of liberals, until I encountered Harry, et
al, here. So, I guess we're even, except that I've got a valid rationale for my
opinion.

Harry is way beyond liberal, giving them a bad name in fact. Very
few liberals advocate over throw of the free enterprise system and
nationalization of corporations the way he does. Basically he has
some sort of personality disorder which causes him to strike out at
anything that reminds him of his tormented youth.

You are correct. Actually, there are only a few here that I put in the same
category as Harry - deplume and Donnie. Slammer, although a Harry follower, gets
his own category.

I'm supposing that he doesn't realize he really does need some help. Of course,
most alcoholics have to hit there own 'bottom' before they seek help. Some hit
there 'bottom' early, some don't. I find it best to ignore the great majority of
his taunts, name-calling, and personal insults.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:00:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:47:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:34:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

It's OK. I had a pretty good opinion of liberals, until I encountered Harry, et
al, here. So, I guess we're even, except that I've got a valid rationale for my
opinion.

Harry is way beyond liberal, giving them a bad name in fact. Very
few liberals advocate over throw of the free enterprise system and
nationalization of corporations the way he does. Basically he has
some sort of personality disorder which causes him to strike out at
anything that reminds him of his tormented youth.

You are correct. Actually, there are only a few here that I put in the same
category as Harry - deplume and Donnie. Slammer, although a Harry follower, gets
his own category.

I'm supposing that he doesn't realize he really does need some help. Of course,
most alcoholics have to hit there own 'bottom' before they seek help. Some hit
there 'bottom' early, some don't. I find it best to ignore the great majority of
his taunts, name-calling, and personal insults.

You're in a category also. It's not even exclusive you. You're a
racist and a liar, and you've just demonstrated it (again) for all to
see.

On 2/16/11 8:47 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:34:36 -0500, John
wrote:

It's OK. I had a pretty good opinion of liberals, until I encountered Harry, et
al, here. So, I guess we're even, except that I've got a valid rationale for my
opinion.

Harry is way beyond liberal, giving them a bad name in fact. Very
few liberals advocate over throw of the free enterprise system and
nationalization of corporations the way he does. Basically he has
some sort of personality disorder which causes him to strike out at
anything that reminds him of his tormented youth.



The "free enterprise system" is out of control and, in the last decade
especially, has been milking this country and the middle class dry. The
system has done little lately but promote the wretched excess the rich
relish at the expense of the middle and lower income classes.

I do not advocate general "nationalization" of corporations. I do
advocate much more control of corporations, especially those
corporations in the areas of energy production and delivery, health
insurance, hospitalization and transportation. I will admit to being
intrigued with the idea of public control of natural resources,
especially those resources in the field of energy. I am impressed with
what the Norwegians have done with their oil resources.

Your final comment in your personal attack (and that is what it is,
after all), is just wishful thinking on your part. I was neither
tormented nor a tormentor in my youth...or since. I simply find today's
conservatives disgusting.

I mentioned here several times my mother was a lifelong Republican and a
minor functionary in the party in our home state. If she were alive
today, she'd have nothing to do with the national GOP and its
small-mindedness, racism, and hate-mongering.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:32 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

Your final comment in your personal attack

No one would doubt your expertise in that area.

The only question is what created your hateful and unpleasant
personality. We can only guess but it almost always stems from some
childhood conflict, perhaps parental, or perhaps the fact that you
really didn't fit in to the Yankee/WASP Connecticut culture where you
grew up. Too bad you never got help for it.

On 2/16/11 10:03 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:32 -0500,
wrote:

Your final comment in your personal attack

No one would doubt your expertise in that area.

The only question is what created your hateful and unpleasant
personality. We can only guess but it almost always stems from some
childhood conflict, perhaps parental, or perhaps the fact that you
really didn't fit in to the Yankee/WASP Connecticut culture where you
grew up. Too bad you never got help for it.


You don't know much sociology, either. I didn't grow up in waspy
Fairfield County, west of Bridgeport. I grew up in ethnic New Haven, a
small manufacturing city at that time dominated religiously by Catholics
and Jews, and ethnically by European immigrants and their children and
their families, mainly from Italy, Ireland, Poland, Hungary, Greece and,
interestingly, Portugal, and blacks. It was a polyglot culture. The
mayor was of Italian descent, as were many of the Aldermen. Our
Congressman was Italian. Hardly WASPs.

I grew up in a New Haven suburb. Our neighbors on one side were Italian
immigrants. The father became a lawyer, the mother was a traditional
Italian homemaker and they had four kids, all of whom were pals of mine.
The kids became lawyers, a doctor and a public school teacher. The house
on the other side held a family of Americans of Greek heritage. They had
one son who I remember as a superior athlete.

After junior high was over for the day, most of us walked two blocks to
the playground at a nearby Catholic church, mostly Irish Catholics. The
nuns supervised the playground after hours, so it was a safe place for
us kids to hang out with other kids of every race, religion and ethnic
background. Our Boy Scout troop met in the classrooms of a synagogue and
day school, because the scoutmaster, who was not Jewish, knew the head
rabbi there. When we got to go swimming in the winter, we went to either
the Boys' Club, the YMCA, or the Jewish Community Center, all of which
had pretty nifty indoor pools.

So, you see, W'hine, there wasn't much WASP culture around to give me
that WASP feeling of entitlement.

What explains your holier-than-thou persona, W'hine? Did your WASP
parents imbue you with the concept that you were, somehow, superior,
because of your heritage? With an attitude like that, you would have
lasted two days at Hillhouse High School, which in those days, but not
now, was the top public high school in the state.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/16/11 10:03 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:32 -0500,
wrote:

Your final comment in your personal attack

No one would doubt your expertise in that area.

The only question is what created your hateful and unpleasant
personality. We can only guess but it almost always stems from some
childhood conflict, perhaps parental, or perhaps the fact that you
really didn't fit in to the Yankee/WASP Connecticut culture where you
grew up. Too bad you never got help for it.


You don't know much sociology, either. I didn't grow up in waspy
Fairfield County, west of Bridgeport. I grew up in ethnic New Haven, a
small manufacturing city at that time dominated religiously by Catholics
and Jews, and ethnically by European immigrants and their children and
their families, mainly from Italy, Ireland, Poland, Hungary, Greece and,
interestingly, Portugal, and blacks. It was a polyglot culture. The
mayor was of Italian descent, as were many of the Aldermen. Our
Congressman was Italian. Hardly WASPs.

I grew up in a New Haven suburb. Our neighbors on one side were Italian
immigrants. The father became a lawyer, the mother was a traditional
Italian homemaker and they had four kids, all of whom were pals of mine.
The kids became lawyers, a doctor and a public school teacher. The house
on the other side held a family of Americans of Greek heritage. They had
one son who I remember as a superior athlete.

After junior high was over for the day, most of us walked two blocks to
the playground at a nearby Catholic church, mostly Irish Catholics. The
nuns supervised the playground after hours, so it was a safe place for
us kids to hang out with other kids of every race, religion and ethnic
background. Our Boy Scout troop met in the classrooms of a synagogue and
day school, because the scoutmaster, who was not Jewish, knew the head
rabbi there. When we got to go swimming in the winter, we went to either
the Boys' Club, the YMCA, or the Jewish Community Center, all of which
had pretty nifty indoor pools.

So, you see, W'hine, there wasn't much WASP culture around to give me
that WASP feeling of entitlement.

What explains your holier-than-thou persona, W'hine? Did your WASP
parents imbue you with the concept that you were, somehow, superior,
because of your heritage? With an attitude like that, you would have
lasted two days at Hillhouse High School, which in those days, but not
now, was the top public high school in the state.

Amazing! You were and are always surrounded by superior people!

On 2/16/11 11:30 AM, New Giant Boat wrote:
In articlekdGdnVQMFYFJbcbQnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 2/16/11 10:03 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:32 -0500,
wrote:

Your final comment in your personal attack

No one would doubt your expertise in that area.

The only question is what created your hateful and unpleasant
personality. We can only guess but it almost always stems from some
childhood conflict, perhaps parental, or perhaps the fact that you
really didn't fit in to the Yankee/WASP Connecticut culture where you
grew up. Too bad you never got help for it.


You don't know much sociology, either. I didn't grow up in waspy
Fairfield County, west of Bridgeport. I grew up in ethnic New Haven, a
small manufacturing city at that time dominated religiously by Catholics
and Jews, and ethnically by European immigrants and their children and
their families, mainly from Italy, Ireland, Poland, Hungary, Greece and,
interestingly, Portugal, and blacks. It was a polyglot culture. The
mayor was of Italian descent, as were many of the Aldermen. Our
Congressman was Italian. Hardly WASPs.

I grew up in a New Haven suburb. Our neighbors on one side were Italian
immigrants. The father became a lawyer, the mother was a traditional
Italian homemaker and they had four kids, all of whom were pals of mine.
The kids became lawyers, a doctor and a public school teacher. The house
on the other side held a family of Americans of Greek heritage. They had
one son who I remember as a superior athlete.

After junior high was over for the day, most of us walked two blocks to
the playground at a nearby Catholic church, mostly Irish Catholics. The
nuns supervised the playground after hours, so it was a safe place for
us kids to hang out with other kids of every race, religion and ethnic
background. Our Boy Scout troop met in the classrooms of a synagogue and
day school, because the scoutmaster, who was not Jewish, knew the head
rabbi there. When we got to go swimming in the winter, we went to either
the Boys' Club, the YMCA, or the Jewish Community Center, all of which
had pretty nifty indoor pools.

So, you see, W'hine, there wasn't much WASP culture around to give me
that WASP feeling of entitlement.

What explains your holier-than-thou persona, W'hine? Did your WASP
parents imbue you with the concept that you were, somehow, superior,
because of your heritage? With an attitude like that, you would have
lasted two days at Hillhouse High School, which in those days, but not
now, was the top public high school in the state.

Amazing! You were and are always surrounded by superior people!

Actually it was only considered one of the top public high schools
because Harry was there. As a top student, Harry was accepted to the
University of Kansas. As everyone knows U of K is considered the
Harvard of the Midwest or as Harvard likes to say, they are the Univ. of
Kansas of the East Coast.

On 2/16/2011 10:44 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 2/16/11 10:03 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:17:32 -0500,
wrote:

Your final comment in your personal attack

No one would doubt your expertise in that area.

The only question is what created your hateful and unpleasant
personality. We can only guess but it almost always stems from some
childhood conflict, perhaps parental, or perhaps the fact that you
really didn't fit in to the Yankee/WASP Connecticut culture where you
grew up. Too bad you never got help for it.


You don't know much sociology, either. I didn't grow up in waspy
Fairfield County, west of Bridgeport. I grew up in ethnic New Haven, a
small manufacturing city at that time dominated religiously by Catholics
and Jews, and ethnically by European immigrants and their children and
their families, mainly from Italy, Ireland, Poland, Hungary, Greece and,
interestingly, Portugal, and blacks. It was a polyglot culture. The
mayor was of Italian descent, as were many of the Aldermen. Our
Congressman was Italian. Hardly WASPs.

I grew up in a New Haven suburb. Our neighbors on one side were Italian
immigrants. The father became a lawyer, the mother was a traditional
Italian homemaker and they had four kids, all of whom were pals of mine.
The kids became lawyers, a doctor and a public school teacher. The house
on the other side held a family of Americans of Greek heritage. They had
one son who I remember as a superior athlete.

After junior high was over for the day, most of us walked two blocks to
the playground at a nearby Catholic church, mostly Irish Catholics. The
nuns supervised the playground after hours, so it was a safe place for
us kids to hang out with other kids of every race, religion and ethnic
background. Our Boy Scout troop met in the classrooms of a synagogue and
day school, because the scoutmaster, who was not Jewish, knew the head
rabbi there. When we got to go swimming in the winter, we went to either
the Boys' Club, the YMCA, or the Jewish Community Center, all of which
had pretty nifty indoor pools.

So, you see, W'hine, there wasn't much WASP culture around to give me
that WASP feeling of entitlement.

What explains your holier-than-thou persona, W'hine? Did your WASP
parents imbue you with the concept that you were, somehow, superior,
because of your heritage? With an attitude like that, you would have
lasted two days at Hillhouse High School, which in those days, but not
now, was the top public high school in the state.

Interesting. Sounds like Wayne hit a nerve.

Any child who at 13 years of age was having sexual intercourse has deep
seated sociopath issues.

1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations
where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs
their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:44:20 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

Our Boy Scout troop met in the classrooms of a synagogue and
day school, because the scoutmaster, who was not Jewish, knew the head
rabbi there.

You were a Boy Scout?

What happened to Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous,
Kind, Cheerful, Reverent, etc. ??

http://usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsoathlaw.asp

You need to go back for some remedial scouting.