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small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/13/11 8:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:45:35 -0500, wrote: See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. Why are these a better solution than a Yeti ice chest? An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. At least that's what I'm envisioning. No fuss, no muss, no rube goldberg wiring, power conversions, battery worries, et cetera. Producing power isn't any problem, it's quite simple actually. and there really wouldn't be any Goldberging about it. Doing this kind of thing is a part of how I make my living. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 11:44*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat *would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. *At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 14, 6:15*am, "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 13, 11:44*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat *would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. *At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. *Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. Oh I'm still going with the battery/isolator/invertor but it's a tosover refrigeration. now concerning a portable generator... Well, i suppose i could strap it onto the swim platform.... right next to the extra jerry cans full of gas. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 14, 6:50*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 533afa7e-a48e-40c1-9125-3e0dc0ecea06 @u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 6:15*am, "Jack." wrote: On Jan 13, 11:44*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat *would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. *At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. *Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. Oh I'm still going with the battery/isolator/invertor but it's a tosover refrigeration. now concerning a portable generator... Well, i suppose i could strap it onto the swim platform.... right next to the extra jerry cans full of gas. Well, we talked about this stuff yesterday and I know you won't be using a generator, but for the benefit of anyone here who might be considering it... One word.. HONDA! Won't ride a red bike, but I wouldn't have a different brand Generator for camping. For Tim, a 1500 watt Honda is smaller than his Jerrycans, and a 10 year old can carry it around. But the real key is quiet, you could sit on a Honda and have a normal phone conversation. I have been a little as 15 feet from one and not heard it running at a campsite. It's not even the muffler when you get your Db down to that level, it's the mechanical noise, and Honda has that down better than any other I have seen to date... Just a reminder to those of you that are cozy in your Motorhomes. You are not generally the one that has to listen to your generator all night long, it's the family across the way in a tent that usually has to deal with it... Me, I just make sure my headphones are charged up and listen to tunes all night long instead. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! BTW, That was a joke about thee jerry cans... I'm adding an extra fuel cell below the deck.... |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:21:13 -0500, Harryk
wrote: An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. You don't have electricity on your boat? Most do these days, and the price of inverters has dropped down to the pocket change level. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. At least that's what I'm envisioning. With a big alternator, decent battery and an inverter, you won't need a generator |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/14/11 10:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:21:13 -0500, wrote: An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. You don't have electricity on your boat? Most do these days, and the price of inverters has dropped down to the pocket change level. I have all sorts of electricity on the new boat, but I have yet to use the refrigerators or icemaker, other than briefly, to ensure they worked. I'm sure I'll use everything to excess this spring. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/14/11 10:51 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articletqGdndaf0oMg8a3QnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/14/11 10:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:21:13 -0500, wrote: An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. You don't have electricity on your boat? Most do these days, and the price of inverters has dropped down to the pocket change level. I have all sorts of electricity on the new boat, but I have yet to use the refrigerators or icemaker, other than briefly, to ensure they worked. I'm sure I'll use everything to excess this spring. Yeah were sure too. As sure as we are you built that deck or it's even on your house.... We are still looking around of FaceBook to see who's pix you nicked..;) Sorry, Snotty, but we don't live hand to mouth as you and your family do, nor do we trash up our neighborhood or keep our motorcycle in the kitchen or live through the non-racing victories of our kids. |
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