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small boat refrigeration- or lack of
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out |
. small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 12, 9:29*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 83038536-c103-4a13-81bd-5985f50ed278 @o4g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says... The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Have you figured out how much weight you are adding all together? One of the reasons I hate the idea of retrofitting a boat is the fact that you "will" change the attitude of the boat in the water, it's waterline, and handling... If you are lucky or plan accordingly, this will not be an issue, but any compromise is going to hide itself till the **** hits the fan anyway, so maybe you will never have it be an issue;) -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Oh yes,I have. The combined estimated weight of all the stuff i'd planed on taking and the modified shelving/cabinets is still less than the boats cargo/person weight limit. Now I'm backing up and eliminating about an extra 175 lb. Sure the boat will be heavier, but hey... we're not going to be in a speed contest anyhow. and it won't be hard to figure out where the boat will ride best by working the rpm and trim. if this was going to be a long trip cruiser things would be different, but then again if it was gong to be a long term cruiser, it would be bigger than a 23' boat too! |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 12, 11:26*pm, "Wayne.B" wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. *Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, *In addition they can be *either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. *We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Very interesting. I've been thinking about buying some type of fridge for my shop, but everything I've considered has been various types of the standard thing. One of these can pull double duty in the shop and on the boat for our extended trips once or twice a year, among other things. Only downside is the weight when moving it around, as far as I see. Thanks! |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Check out these: http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/ I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat "refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote:
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Check out these: http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/ I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat "refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area. Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to go with them. Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/13/11 7:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56 am, wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Check out these: http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/ I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat "refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area. Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to go with them. Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... I'm embarrassed to admit that on our new boat, which has a generator and an inverter and shore power, and a nice refrigerator and an ice maker, I still use my Yeti cooler. We've only overnighted a couple of times, but hope to take a couple of reasonable multi-day cruises this coming season. Maybe I'll crank up the 'fridge. All I used it for at the end of last season was as a place to store bottled water. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 7:00*am, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 7:53 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56 am, *wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, * *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Check out these: http://www.yeticoolers.com/categories/Tundra-Series/ I kept mine when I sold my Parker. Much less complicated than a boat "refrigerator," and keeps food cold and safe for days, even in the steamy weather we get in the summer in the Washington, D.C., area. Those are tough. a customer of mine has one and he says they're the best cooler going, and probably are. They also have the price tag to go with them. Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... I'm embarrassed to admit that on our new boat, which has a generator and an inverter and shore power, and a nice refrigerator and an ice maker, I still use my Yeti cooler. We've only overnighted a couple of times, but hope to take a couple of reasonable multi-day cruises this coming season. Maybe I'll crank up the 'fridge. All I used it for at the end of last season was as a place to store bottled water. Yes, and that's the syndrome, What is justifiable and what isn't. My old 1964 Chris Craft had a 120v shore power factory refrigerator, an that's great IF I had shore power, but not so was the case... In the high humid 90's on Lake Carlyle, it would be futile to cool it down for just one day, and if a person threw a couple bags of ice in it, the box itself would eat that trying to cool itself down. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Whoops - hit the wrong button on last post. We use the camper refrigerator a lot, but I believe we could easily survive without it. Peanut butter doesn't need refrigeration, nor does bread. What more could one want? |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Wayne.B"
wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Damn, $750 will buy a lot of coolers and ice! |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. That will buy a *lot* of ice. So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. Problem solved! |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 8:57*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Wayne.B" wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. *Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, *In addition they can be *either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. *We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Damn, $750 will buy a lot of coolers and ice! Yeah, that's not for the "everyday boater" that's for sure. I used to have one in my conversion back in the 80's but I remember it was only about 100 bucks... Sorry folks, but unless you are making trips like Wayne, this is just gluttony... For $100, what you had was probably one of those Peltier junction types of coolers (like the Koolatrons Tim posted a link to). The one Wayne posted a link to is an actual refrigerator, with refrigerant and a compressor, just very small and efficient. I wouldn't call it gluttony, more like luxury! :-) |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 9:21*am, "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. *Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. *The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100. Dang! Make that "miniaturized". :-) |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 9:21*am, "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. *Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. *The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) |
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On 1/13/11 9:41 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:21 am, wrote: On Jan 13, 9:14 am, I am wrote: In article73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53 am, wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56 am, wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. That will buy a *lot* of ice. So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. Why are these a better solution than a Yeti ice chest? |
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On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. |
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On 1/13/11 9:54 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. Isn't that cute, Harry had someone "help" him with his deck. It sounds like "help" is a "Harryism" for "... and I helped". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI5aMgxYFk |
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On 1/13/11 9:57 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articleKvqdnbSID4yRj7LQnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. Sure Harry...snerk ..... and I helped. |
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In article ,
says... On 1/13/11 9:54 AM, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. Isn't that cute, Harry had someone "help" him with his deck. It sounds like "help" is a "Harryism" for "... and I helped". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI5aMgxYFk You did notice the contractor's trailer that Harry accidently got in the picture didn't you?! |
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On 1/13/11 12:08 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... In articleVb6dnQwvpM9Gh7LQnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@giganews. com, says... On 1/13/11 9:54 AM, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. Isn't that cute, Harry had someone "help" him with his deck. It sounds like "help" is a "Harryism" for "... and I helped". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI5aMgxYFk You did notice the contractor's trailer that Harry accidently got in the picture didn't you?! No, that was a trailer he rented for the table saw he wouldn't be using, so he could roll it up and down through the backyard instead of into the basement right there, so nobody would steal it, in his great neighborhood....snerk Actually, the trailer was used to bring tools to the site, to store tools, and to make trips to the lumberyard for certain bits and pieces that were too large for my SUV. I had no interest in cluttering up the finished lower level in this house with heavy construction tools, sawdust, and mud. The floors on that level are all ceramic tile, about 1200 square feet of it. My guess is that you leave your tools outside in the yard, with the rest of the trash, right? |
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On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. No fuss, no muss, no rube goldberg wiring, power conversions, battery worries, et cetera. |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:21:15 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:50:28 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Wayne.B" wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Damn, $750 will buy a lot of coolers and ice! That's what I was thinking! GMTA...sometimes. |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:57:34 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) There used to be a place where you could buy dry ice cubes, they were very convenient... Our local little Safeway sells dry ice now. Never bought any, but I see the sign. |
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Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 9:29 pm, I am wrote: In article83038536-c103-4a13-81bd-5985f50ed278 @o4g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says... The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Have you figured out how much weight you are adding all together? One of the reasons I hate the idea of retrofitting a boat is the fact that you "will" change the attitude of the boat in the water, it's waterline, and handling... If you are lucky or plan accordingly, this will not be an issue, but any compromise is going to hide itself till the **** hits the fan anyway, so maybe you will never have it be an issue;) -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Oh yes,I have. The combined estimated weight of all the stuff i'd planed on taking and the modified shelving/cabinets is still less than the boats cargo/person weight limit. Now I'm backing up and eliminating about an extra 175 lb. Sure the boat will be heavier, but hey... we're not going to be in a speed contest anyhow. and it won't be hard to figure out where the boat will ride best by working the rpm and trim. if this was going to be a long trip cruiser things would be different, but then again if it was gong to be a long term cruiser, it would be bigger than a 23' boat too! A 23' pontoon has got to be more forgiving than an 18'er. Is it a tri-toon? |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:45:35 -0500, Harryk
wrote: See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. Why are these a better solution than a Yeti ice chest? An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:26:59 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: Oh, I thought his was a chip like mine.. Anyway, the way Wayne boats, it's a necessity of sorts.. I am talking about folks who day trip or overnight, or just park it in the driveway and make up stories about it.. snerk For day trips and overnight an ice chest is fine, providing that you have a reliable supply of fresh ice. |
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On 1/13/11 8:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:45:35 -0500, wrote: See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. Why are these a better solution than a Yeti ice chest? An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. |
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On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. At least that's what I'm envisioning. No fuss, no muss, no rube goldberg wiring, power conversions, battery worries, et cetera. Producing power isn't any problem, it's quite simple actually. and there really wouldn't be any Goldberging about it. Doing this kind of thing is a part of how I make my living. |
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On Jan 13, 11:44*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat *would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. *At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 14, 6:15*am, "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 13, 11:44*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat *would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. *At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. *Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. Oh I'm still going with the battery/isolator/invertor but it's a tosover refrigeration. now concerning a portable generator... Well, i suppose i could strap it onto the swim platform.... right next to the extra jerry cans full of gas. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 14, 6:50*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 533afa7e-a48e-40c1-9125-3e0dc0ecea06 @u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 6:15*am, "Jack." wrote: On Jan 13, 11:44*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 11:27*am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat *would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. *At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. *Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. Oh I'm still going with the battery/isolator/invertor but it's a tosover refrigeration. now concerning a portable generator... Well, i suppose i could strap it onto the swim platform.... right next to the extra jerry cans full of gas. Well, we talked about this stuff yesterday and I know you won't be using a generator, but for the benefit of anyone here who might be considering it... One word.. HONDA! Won't ride a red bike, but I wouldn't have a different brand Generator for camping. For Tim, a 1500 watt Honda is smaller than his Jerrycans, and a 10 year old can carry it around. But the real key is quiet, you could sit on a Honda and have a normal phone conversation. I have been a little as 15 feet from one and not heard it running at a campsite. It's not even the muffler when you get your Db down to that level, it's the mechanical noise, and Honda has that down better than any other I have seen to date... Just a reminder to those of you that are cozy in your Motorhomes. You are not generally the one that has to listen to your generator all night long, it's the family across the way in a tent that usually has to deal with it... Me, I just make sure my headphones are charged up and listen to tunes all night long instead. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! BTW, That was a joke about thee jerry cans... I'm adding an extra fuel cell below the deck.... |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
"I am Tosk" wrote in message ...
In article 533afa7e-a48e-40c1-9125-3e0dc0ecea06 @u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 6:15 am, "Jack." wrote: On Jan 13, 11:44 pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 11:27 am, Harryk wrote: On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will freeze EVERYTHING.) It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler that could keep ice icy for a few days. Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. At least that's what I'm envisioning. Yeah, constant noise (but they are quiet), refilling, carrying extra fuel, fumes, tripping over it, extension cords. Yuck. A couple bags of ice seem like the ticket, unless you go with a real fridge and permanent wiring. Oh I'm still going with the battery/isolator/invertor but it's a tosover refrigeration. now concerning a portable generator... Well, i suppose i could strap it onto the swim platform.... right next to the extra jerry cans full of gas. Well, we talked about this stuff yesterday and I know you won't be using a generator, but for the benefit of anyone here who might be considering it... One word.. HONDA! Won't ride a red bike, but I wouldn't have a different brand Generator for camping. For Tim, a 1500 watt Honda is smaller than his Jerrycans, and a 10 year old can carry it around. But the real key is quiet, you could sit on a Honda and have a normal phone conversation. I have been a little as 15 feet from one and not heard it running at a campsite. It's not even the muffler when you get your Db down to that level, it's the mechanical noise, and Honda has that down better than any other I have seen to date... Just a reminder to those of you that are cozy in your Motorhomes. You are not generally the one that has to listen to your generator all night long, it's the family across the way in a tent that usually has to deal with it... Me, I just make sure my headphones are charged up and listen to tunes all night long instead. -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! There is nothing like a diesel generator to lull you to sleep after a hard day's play. -- Ziggy® |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:21:13 -0500, Harryk
wrote: An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. You don't have electricity on your boat? Most do these days, and the price of inverters has dropped down to the pocket change level. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Well, a small generator is a neat concept but having one inboard in my boat would add to the clutter not counting the fumes etc. At least that's what I'm envisioning. With a big alternator, decent battery and an inverter, you won't need a generator |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/14/11 10:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:21:13 -0500, wrote: An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. You don't have electricity on your boat? Most do these days, and the price of inverters has dropped down to the pocket change level. I have all sorts of electricity on the new boat, but I have yet to use the refrigerators or icemaker, other than briefly, to ensure they worked. I'm sure I'll use everything to excess this spring. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/14/11 10:51 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articletqGdndaf0oMg8a3QnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/14/11 10:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:21:13 -0500, wrote: An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric fridge does not, and some will actually make ice. Ahh, but the electric 'fridge needs...electricity. There's no free lunch. You don't have electricity on your boat? Most do these days, and the price of inverters has dropped down to the pocket change level. I have all sorts of electricity on the new boat, but I have yet to use the refrigerators or icemaker, other than briefly, to ensure they worked. I'm sure I'll use everything to excess this spring. Yeah were sure too. As sure as we are you built that deck or it's even on your house.... We are still looking around of FaceBook to see who's pix you nicked..;) Sorry, Snotty, but we don't live hand to mouth as you and your family do, nor do we trash up our neighborhood or keep our motorcycle in the kitchen or live through the non-racing victories of our kids. |
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