small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On 1/13/11 9:57 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articleKvqdnbSID4yRj7LQnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In
addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his
semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator)


The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in
his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals
indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes
advantage of its amenities.

Sure Harry...snerk


..... and I helped.

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

In article ,
says...

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In
addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his
semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator)


The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in
his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals
indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes
advantage of its amenities.

Sure Harry... snerk

That would be his contractor.

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

In article ,
says...

On 1/13/11 9:54 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In
addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his
semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator)


The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in
his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals
indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes
advantage of its amenities.

Isn't that cute, Harry had someone "help" him with his deck. It sounds
like "help" is a "Harryism" for "... and I helped".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI5aMgxYFk

You did notice the contractor's trailer that Harry accidently got in the
picture didn't you?!

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On 1/13/11 12:08 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

In articleVb6dnQwvpM9Gh7LQnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@giganews. com,
says...

On 1/13/11 9:54 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In
addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his
semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator)


The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in
his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals
indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes
advantage of its amenities.

Isn't that cute, Harry had someone "help" him with his deck. It sounds
like "help" is a "Harryism" for "... and I helped".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI5aMgxYFk

You did notice the contractor's trailer that Harry accidently got in the
picture didn't you?!

No, that was a trailer he rented for the table saw he wouldn't be using,
so he could roll it up and down through the backyard instead of into the
basement right there, so nobody would steal it, in his great
neighborhood....snerk



Actually, the trailer was used to bring tools to the site, to store
tools, and to make trips to the lumberyard for certain bits and pieces
that were too large for my SUV. I had no interest in cluttering up the
finished lower level in this house with heavy construction tools,
sawdust, and mud. The floors on that level are all ceramic tile, about
1200 square feet of it.

My guess is that you leave your tools outside in the yard, with the rest
of the trash, right?

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On 1/13/11 12:23 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a
local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will
freeze EVERYTHING.)






It seems to me that Tim would be a lot better off with a simple Honda or
Yamaha unit that produces the amount of 'lectricity he needs to run the
microwave, coffee maker, hot plate, et cetera, and with a good cooler
that could keep ice icy for a few days. No fuss, no muss, no rube
goldberg wiring, power conversions, battery worries, et cetera.

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:21:15 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:50:28 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Wayne.B"
wrote:

On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote:
The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

=====

Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one
of these instead:

http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY

They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In
addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses
around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our
Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free.
At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio.

Damn, $750 will buy a lot of coolers and ice!

That's what I was thinking!

GMTA...sometimes.

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:57:34 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:21:48 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807

for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.

I'll get it figured out

I like simple.... a good cooler and ice... if I need to, there is a
local grocery store with dry ice! (I mix the two... dry ice will
freeze EVERYTHING.)

There used to be a place where you could buy dry ice cubes, they were
very convenient...

Our local little Safeway sells dry ice now. Never bought any, but I see the
sign.

. small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 9:29 pm, I am wrote:

In article83038536-c103-4a13-81bd-5985f50ed278
@o4g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...




The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a
refrigerator on my boat.


http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807


for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy.
A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any
port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8-
D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower
powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel
effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.


I'll get it figured out

Have you figured out how much weight you are adding all together? One of
the reasons I hate the idea of retrofitting a boat is the fact that you
"will" change the attitude of the boat in the water, it's waterline, and
handling... If you are lucky or plan accordingly, this will not be an
issue, but any compromise is going to hide itself till the **** hits the
fan anyway, so maybe you will never have it be an issue;)

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!

Oh yes,I have. The combined estimated weight of all the stuff i'd
planed on taking and the modified shelving/cabinets is still less
than the boats cargo/person weight limit. Now I'm backing up and
eliminating about an extra 175 lb. Sure the boat will be heavier, but
hey... we're not going to be in a speed contest anyhow. and it won't
be hard to figure out where the boat will ride best by working the rpm
and trim.

if this was going to be a long trip cruiser things would be different,
but then again if it was gong to be a long term cruiser, it would be
bigger than a 23' boat too!

A 23' pontoon has got to be more forgiving than an 18'er. Is it a tri-toon?

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:45:35 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat
sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and
everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient.
Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text -

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The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have
trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than
75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at
zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than
5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who
has been living aboard for many years.

Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm
type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small
inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are
in the $30 to $40 range.


Why are these a better solution than a Yeti ice chest?

An ice chest needs a constant supply of fresh ice. A small electric
fridge does not, and some will actually make ice.

small boat refrigeration- or lack of
 

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:26:59 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Oh, I thought his was a chip like mine.. Anyway, the way Wayne boats,
it's a necessity of sorts.. I am talking about folks who day trip or
overnight, or just park it in the driveway and make up stories about
it.. snerk

For day trips and overnight an ice chest is fine, providing that you
have a reliable supply of fresh ice.