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small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Wayne.B"
wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21*pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Damn, $750 will buy a lot of coolers and ice! |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. That will buy a *lot* of ice. So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. Problem solved! |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 8:57*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:26:05 -0800 (PST), "Wayne.B" wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. *Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, *In addition they can be *either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. *We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Damn, $750 will buy a lot of coolers and ice! Yeah, that's not for the "everyday boater" that's for sure. I used to have one in my conversion back in the 80's but I remember it was only about 100 bucks... Sorry folks, but unless you are making trips like Wayne, this is just gluttony... For $100, what you had was probably one of those Peltier junction types of coolers (like the Koolatrons Tim posted a link to). The one Wayne posted a link to is an actual refrigerator, with refrigerant and a compressor, just very small and efficient. I wouldn't call it gluttony, more like luxury! :-) |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though.. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 9:21*am, "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. *Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. *The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100. Dang! Make that "miniaturized". :-) |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On Jan 13, 9:21*am, "Jack." wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:14*am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53*am, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56*am, Harryk wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, *wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, *finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too.. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? *Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. *Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. *If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. *To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. *That will buy a *lot* of ice. *So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. *It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. *Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. *Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. *The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/13/11 9:41 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:21 am, wrote: On Jan 13, 9:14 am, I am wrote: In article73abd3ef-c7ca-48ac-b45a- , says... On Jan 13, 7:53 am, wrote: On Jan 13, 5:56 am, wrote: On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out Wayne, I'd thought of investigating one of those types of boxes too. but I look and figure on what all we've actually used a cooler for throughout the year, and for our needs the expense is kinda unjustifiable for an extremely high quality unit. It would be different if we were going on outings for a week+ at a time, but not so is the case. besides I do have a Norcold 12v refrigerator that came from a older wrecked camper. and I had ideas for that, but it's just too heavy and bulky. so..... And these things? http://www.nextag.com/car-plug-in-cooler/products-html Eh... For how long are you planning to go out? Any decent normal cooler will last the day, especially if you don't store it in the sun. Doing anything beyond that, and you're paying for the convienence of not having to buy ice as often. If you're on a lake with marinas, it's not that big a deal. I've gone through the same thing debating an ice machine at home. To get one that will keep up with us in the summer, I'll have to spend about $1400. That will buy a *lot* of ice. So instead, we buy a 20lb bag at the grocery store every week, and the spare fridge in the utility room has the freezer shelf pulled out and a vegetable bin under the ice maker, so I've about quadrupled it's capacity. It doesn't recover quickly, but it provides all the drinking ice we could ever want, and the bag ice does the rest. Problem solved! My cooler is huge, I have this one for camping. http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...81_Coleman_100 _Qt_Xtreme_Marine_Plus_Cooler.html Usually we camp in the open, mid summer, and I have seen the competition. These reflective coolers work, period... It says it will keep ice for five days, I believe it.. if you didn't open it and kept it in the shade, I believe it.. For my purposes, I can fill it with ice and food on a Friday night in mid summer, and it will still have "some" ice floating by Sunday night when we drive home from the races. Now that includes moving and hiding it from the sun all day, and probably being opened a hundred times or more as I usually help the crew with drinks while the "track mom" makes sandwiches... I betcha' on a boat, on a 90 degree weekend, if you kept it in the shade and were careful about opening and closing, you could get 3-4 solid days of ice in the thing. Of course camping I have a bit more room so if it's gonna' be a particularly hot weekend, I bring an extra smaller cooler just for drink ice so we don't deplete the food cooler of it's stock. Like I said before, spending 750 on a cooler that you have to plug in, unless you are living on board for extended periods, is a waste in my opinion... I guess if you have the money to blow, it's ok...;) I mean, if you tend to do a lot of 2-3 day trips, like every weekend, you might get tired of fooling with the ice too, but still, $750? The chip and heat sink cost them about ten bucks... The plastic, another ten... See my other post. Wayne's "cooler" isn't a Peltier chip and heat sink, it's an actual refrigeration unit with a compressor and everything. The real deal, just miniturized and very efficient. Those "chip and heat sink units" you're talking about are about $100.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Peltier chip units have never gotten very good reports, They have trouble keeping things cool when ambient temperatures are greater than 75 to 80 degrees. The Engels on the other hand will keep things at zero degrees when sitting in tropical sunlight and they draw less than 5 amps of power at 12 volts. I first heard about them from a guy who has been living aboard for many years. Another alternative, much less expensive, is to buy a college dorm type fridge at one of the big box stores and run it from a small inverter. They are typically less than $150 and small inverters are in the $30 to $40 range. Why are these a better solution than a Yeti ice chest? |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. |
small boat refrigeration- or lack of
On 1/13/11 9:54 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/13/11 9:44 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Jan 12, 10:21 pm, Tim wrote: The more I read, the more I'm convincing myself that i dont' need a refrigerator on my boat. http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=95807 for my purposes, it would be a draw in weight, finances and energy. A well insulated cooler and a couple of bags of ice available at any port or marina would be a better benefit. and I'll drop back to one 8- D and one automotive battery and go back with a smaller and lower powered alternator for better efficiency due to less drag and flywheel effect. still gotta have the microwave and coffee maker, though. I'll get it figured out ===== Using ice is problematic for a lot of different reasons. Consider one of these instead: http://www.amazon.com/Engel-AC-Fridg.../dp/B001DE45EY They run on either AC or 12v DC and use very little power, In addition they can be either a fridge or a freezer, and have some uses around the home or in your car/truck. We bought two prior to our Caribbean cruise last year and they've been completely trouble free. At homke we use them when entertaining on the patio. Brother-in-law carries one of those in his pickup when working at his semi-isolated cottage lot. (no power available except for his generator) The guy who helped me with the deck carries a small microwave oven in his F250. He likes his lunches hot. I offered to heat up his meals indoors, but he has his truck decked out for "break comfort" and takes advantage of its amenities. Isn't that cute, Harry had someone "help" him with his deck. It sounds like "help" is a "Harryism" for "... and I helped". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI5aMgxYFk |
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