On Oct 27, 7:36*am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 10/27/2010 6:50 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:





On Oct 27, 6:45 am, *wrote:
On 10/27/2010 6:24 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:00:05 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
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On 10/26/2010 5:50 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:01:53 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
* * wrote:

On 10/26/2010 3:38 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
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On 10/26/2010 3:18 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:19:34 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
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On 10/26/2010 11:43 AM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:00:01 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
* * * *wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:28 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
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I get a lunch break, but you guys get to post here all day.
Rich? Retired? Not me.

I work from home, my wife is my boss, and after 20 years, *we still get
along, couldn't be better. Admittedly much of our business is now
automated, but we spent many a year and hour getting here

I teach at a university in the middle of the state.

What do you teach?

Upper level undergrad and some grad courses in the traditional liberal
arts.

Uh oh, one of the brainwashers!

As you know, ignorance is being worn as a badge of honor by a good
many Americans, including certain beverage-based political
organizations.

Glad to hear there's still some who are committed to edumacating our
yungins.

Through no fault of mine, we have a very high percentage of our students
going on to receive doctorates in the arts and sciences.
Smart is encouraged; stupid is not. :)

And still a political troll post, *no matter how you look at it...

It is trolling to mention teaching and academic achievement?

Look out, you've already raised some hairs. *Just mentioning higher ed
makes folks nervous around here...

Kool-aid is served year 'round hereabouts.

There really is a strong undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in this
country, more so than at any other time I can remember. It's too bad
because a dumbed down America will go down the tubes.

You mean "down the tubes" faster. The Chinese are turning out
engineers at 10 times the rate we are, many of them studying at our
universities.

The emergence of this beverage-based group really puts a point on it..
Their candidates don't require a basic knowledge of the constitution,
pivotal supreme court rulings or basic tenets of law. *Instead, they
just supply a few common sense-isms, rail on the media, taxes, them
smart folks who got us in all this trouble, and mention the day they
accepted Jesus into their lives as their personal lord and savior.

That's it! *You're electable and ready to govern! *Yahooo!

Please don't feel obligated to respond. *I'm already tainted by the
"liberal" stamp and you can remain above the fray. *You should try to
keep it that way as long as possible since you'll have chosen sides
otherwise.

I hope your students help our country rediscover the pride of a
liberal arts education, the ability to leverage well-developed
critical thinking skills, and be of a country that accepts the
responsibility of the social compact between citizens, our obligation
to the state and our country.

Screw the greedy, the globalists and anybody who shops Walmart.

It's ok JPS, our new poster already tainted himself, progressives can't
help it, they just can't play fair here or anywhere else...

I don't know you at all, but you seem extraordinarily volatile and
subject to wide mood swings. One minute you seem to agree this would be
a better place without all the personal name calling and the next minute
you're engaging in it.

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
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Your selective criticism here has already given you away... *So go
ahead, tell us all the talking points... *I am for progress too, but
not regressive progress which stifles free speech, and directs every
aspect of our lives... but whatever, I had hopes for you, but no
matter what clothes you wear, a wolf is still a wolf...

Regressive progress? Now there's a term I've not previously encountered.
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No, more like personal attacks from the Oval office against
individuals and news orgs that have opposing viewpoints... I mean,
allowing Military from racist groups to stand in front of voting
booths., I am talking about three states who are openly allowing
undocumented aliens to vote, canceling the vote of American
citizens.... The list goes on, progressives are not progressive...

On Oct 27, 8:18*am, John H wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:51:18 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 10/27/2010 7:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:45:47 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
*wrote:

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.

Now you've done it - sit back and watch the fur fly.

Are you a sociology professor studying internet behavior?

That's pretty funny!

If I were, some posters here would make for an interesting study group,
I'd bet.

My underpinnings and teachings are more classical, and less
trade-schoolish, not that there is anything wrong with learning a trade.
In my classes, you might learn what some great thinkers thought, why
they thought that, how those thoughts evolved, how they influence us
today. You'd also be required to write many long papers.

Must the papers be of a certain 'bent' to recieve a good grade?
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It's the Juan Williams syndrome... If you don't "understand" (toe the
line) you need a shrink... You deserve pity, and should have your
money, livelyhood, and reputation stripped and given back to you in
controled portions according to need...

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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Uh oh, one of the brainwashers!

As you know, ignorance is being worn as a badge of honor by a
good
many Americans, including certain beverage-based political
organizations.



It is trolling to mention teaching and academic achievement?

No, but the trashing of the tea party is...


The tea party? Who mentioned the tea party, besides you?

And who exactly do you think Bonnie was refereeing to when he said..

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*As you know, ignorance is being worn as a badge of honor by a
good
many Americans, including certain beverage-based political
organizations.*

/snip

Really, you don't see a political post here?? Right... snerk. I was
still the first to know


--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!

I hope you aren't referring to me when you claim that a "Bonnie" made the
above observation.

Why? Weren't you the one that said it?


You're the internet provider executive.... figure it out!

"Paul@BYC" wrote in message
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On 10/27/2010 6:36 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
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And still a political troll post, no matter how you look at it...

In what way?

Scott, you need to relax and dial down your sensitivity level. Sit
back, read what you like, ignore the rest.

Hey Wayne, I am still holding my powder even though Harry, Bonnie, JPS
and our new friend still think this is the place for political
trolling...


What "political trolling" have I posted?

.... or me , fro that matter?

On 10/27/2010 8:18 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:51:18 -0400, wrote:

On 10/27/2010 7:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:45:47 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.

Now you've done it - sit back and watch the fur fly.

Are you a sociology professor studying internet behavior?


That's pretty funny!

If I were, some posters here would make for an interesting study group,
I'd bet.

My underpinnings and teachings are more classical, and less
trade-schoolish, not that there is anything wrong with learning a trade.
In my classes, you might learn what some great thinkers thought, why
they thought that, how those thoughts evolved, how they influence us
today. You'd also be required to write many long papers.


Must the papers be of a certain 'bent' to recieve a good grade?

Of course not. What we like to see is evidence the writer properly
prepared himself by reading and assimilating pertinent works, and spent
significant time thinking and writing so as to present a logical,
coherent paper. In class discussions, any ideas are welcome, but the
presenter has to be able to defend them. We try to teach our students to
think logically and to develop and use their wits.

On Oct 27, 7:41*am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 10/27/2010 7:12 AM, I am Tosk wrote:





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says...

On 10/26/2010 11:32 PM, Eddie wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:19:34 -0400, "Paul@BYC"

I teach at a university in the middle of the state.

What do you teach?

Upper level undergrad and some grad courses in the traditional liberal
arts.
I'm a liberal arts grad, U of Hawaii '71.

Paul, have you ever heard this statement?

"College teaches you how to make proper decisions on disputed
arguments."

Another one I remember: *"College teaches you that if you don't know
the answer, you know how to get the answer."

Learned that my first year from one of my professors.

Makes sense to me.

Eddie

I hope you are still in Hawaii. I'd never move from there if I were
lucky enough to live there.

Hopefully, we teach our students how to think critically, which is, to
me, what you are saying with slightly different words.

If "critical thinking" (aka indoctrination) is what happened to my
oldest, you can have it. A product of American U, just finishing up her
masters, she still thinks George Bush pushed a button in the oval
office, sent missiles to take out the twin towers, the pentagon, and the
plane over PA, "there were no planes, the footage was faked", "the
witnesses were staged"... Yeah, critical thinking... Pffffttttt...

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No, actually I think it was more the pseudo - intellectuals she got in
with earlier at U-Hart...

On 10/27/2010 8:35 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:41 am, wrote:

If "critical thinking" (aka indoctrination) is what happened to my
oldest, you can have it. A product of American U, just finishing up her
masters, she still thinks George Bush pushed a button in the oval
office, sent missiles to take out the twin towers, the pentagon, and the
plane over PA, "there were no planes, the footage was faked", "the
witnesses were staged"... Yeah, critical thinking... Pffffttttt...

Are you blaming American University for this?- Hide quoted text -

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No, actually I think it was more the pseudo - intellectuals she got in
with earlier at U-Hart...


I doubt many intellectuals, even pseudo-intellectuals, believe that
"George Bush pushed a button in the oval office, sent missiles to take
out the twin towers, the pentagon, and the plane over PA, "there were no
planes, the footage was faked", "the witnesses were staged"..."

If I were you, I would look elsewhere for the origins of those thoughts
in your child's head.

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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You seem to be caught up in the rhetoric of those nattering nabobs of
negativism, the tea party and fox news. Not me.

Ahhh, that's it.. I am a conservative, so I must listen to Fox News and
be a teabagger... So narrow minded, these regressives. Everything is
about smearing, shaming, or threatening anybody who opposes the
takeover.



--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!


Sound like anyone we know?

On 10/27/2010 9:23 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
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On 10/27/2010 8:18 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:51:18 -0400, wrote:

On 10/27/2010 7:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:45:47 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.

Now you've done it - sit back and watch the fur fly.

Are you a sociology professor studying internet behavior?


That's pretty funny!

If I were, some posters here would make for an interesting study group,
I'd bet.

My underpinnings and teachings are more classical, and less
trade-schoolish, not that there is anything wrong with learning a trade.
In my classes, you might learn what some great thinkers thought, why
they thought that, how those thoughts evolved, how they influence us
today. You'd also be required to write many long papers.


Must the papers be of a certain 'bent' to recieve a good grade?

Of course not. What we like to see is evidence the writer properly
prepared himself by reading and assimilating pertinent works, and spent
significant time thinking and writing so as to present a logical,
coherent paper. In class discussions, any ideas are welcome, but the
presenter has to be able to defend them. We try to teach our students to
think logically and to develop and use their wits.

Yes, "must be able to defend them". Against who? A professor with a
liberal bent that might not challenge one side as vigorously as the
other... Especially if that professor doesn't feel one side needs
defending at all... Watched three kids come through the system, and my
mom was a school administrator for almost 50 years, I know how it
works...




You appear unfamiliar with the process of "defending" one's papers,
thoughts, presentations as it is done at the college/university level. I
say that because you are injecting partisan politics into a process that
has nothing to do with partisan politics. The exercise is intellectual,
not political.

No offense, but you seem eager to point fingers and make accusations,
even on subjects about which you know little or nothing.

The challenges to the presenters come not from me, but from fellow
students chosen at random and given a copy of the paper a few days
before the class discussion. The object of the exercise is to develop
logical thinking processes, not to insult the presenters or the
challengers. My role is that of sometime moderator, to keep the
discussions on track and within the time limitations.

On 10/27/2010 9:31 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


You seem to be caught up in the rhetoric of those nattering nabobs of
negativism, the tea party and fox news. Not me.

Ahhh, that's it.. I am a conservative, so I must listen to Fox News and
be a teabagger... So narrow minded, these regressives. Everything is
about smearing, shaming, or threatening anybody who opposes the
takeover.




I thought you would appreciate a quote of Spiro T. Agnew, who was a
colorful speaker.

I don't know if you are a teabagger, as you put it. You certainly seem
to share some of the beliefs and attributes of that subset of the GOP.

Well, I'm out of here for most of the rest of today's daylight hours.
Watch out for those Gordian knots.