On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:45:47 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.

Now you've done it - sit back and watch the fur fly.

Are you a sociology professor studying internet behavior?

On 10/27/2010 6:50 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 27, 6:45 am, wrote:
On 10/27/2010 6:24 AM, I am Tosk wrote:





In ,
says...

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:00:05 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/26/2010 5:50 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:01:53 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/26/2010 3:38 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/26/2010 3:18 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:19:34 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/26/2010 11:43 AM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:00:01 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:28 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

I get a lunch break, but you guys get to post here all day.
Rich? Retired? Not me.

I work from home, my wife is my boss, and after 20 years, we still get
along, couldn't be better. Admittedly much of our business is now
automated, but we spent many a year and hour getting here

I teach at a university in the middle of the state.

What do you teach?

Upper level undergrad and some grad courses in the traditional liberal
arts.

Uh oh, one of the brainwashers!

As you know, ignorance is being worn as a badge of honor by a good
many Americans, including certain beverage-based political
organizations.

Glad to hear there's still some who are committed to edumacating our
yungins.

Through no fault of mine, we have a very high percentage of our students
going on to receive doctorates in the arts and sciences.
Smart is encouraged; stupid is not. :)

And still a political troll post, no matter how you look at it...

It is trolling to mention teaching and academic achievement?

Look out, you've already raised some hairs. Just mentioning higher ed
makes folks nervous around here...

Kool-aid is served year 'round hereabouts.

There really is a strong undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in this
country, more so than at any other time I can remember. It's too bad
because a dumbed down America will go down the tubes.

You mean "down the tubes" faster. The Chinese are turning out
engineers at 10 times the rate we are, many of them studying at our
universities.

The emergence of this beverage-based group really puts a point on it.
Their candidates don't require a basic knowledge of the constitution,
pivotal supreme court rulings or basic tenets of law. Instead, they
just supply a few common sense-isms, rail on the media, taxes, them
smart folks who got us in all this trouble, and mention the day they
accepted Jesus into their lives as their personal lord and savior.

That's it! You're electable and ready to govern! Yahooo!

Please don't feel obligated to respond. I'm already tainted by the
"liberal" stamp and you can remain above the fray. You should try to
keep it that way as long as possible since you'll have chosen sides
otherwise.

I hope your students help our country rediscover the pride of a
liberal arts education, the ability to leverage well-developed
critical thinking skills, and be of a country that accepts the
responsibility of the social compact between citizens, our obligation
to the state and our country.

Screw the greedy, the globalists and anybody who shops Walmart.

It's ok JPS, our new poster already tainted himself, progressives can't
help it, they just can't play fair here or anywhere else...

I don't know you at all, but you seem extraordinarily volatile and
subject to wide mood swings. One minute you seem to agree this would be
a better place without all the personal name calling and the next minute
you're engaging in it.

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your selective criticism here has already given you away... So go
ahead, tell us all the talking points... I am for progress too, but
not regressive progress which stifles free speech, and directs every
aspect of our lives... but whatever, I had hopes for you, but no
matter what clothes you wear, a wolf is still a wolf...

Regressive progress? Now there's a term I've not previously encountered.
Moving forward by moving backwards? Would that be like eliminating laws
against children performing dangerous work?

On 10/27/2010 7:09 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/27/2010 6:36 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

And still a political troll post, no matter how you look at it...

In what way?

Scott, you need to relax and dial down your sensitivity level. Sit
back, read what you like, ignore the rest.

Hey Wayne, I am still holding my powder even though Harry, Bonnie, JPS
and our new friend still think this is the place for political
trolling...


What "political trolling" have I posted?

Well, this is...

snip
Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.
/snip

You are suggesting that "the other side" does not want "scientific
development" (which is code for you want no compromise on stem cell
research whatsoever) and you got the LaRaza line down for the rest of
the paragraph, suggesting that the other side is not for "fair play"
which of course is code for "no id's required, free lunch time", and the
whole "scaring large blocks of people" is directed at republicans, even
though the whole "we are gonna' have 8% unemployment if we don't pay off
the unions right now", and "the big bad republicans are sneaking outside
money (like the millions the dems got from Soros and the Chinese
Military in the last few elections) in to "steal" the election when the
dems still have the same money coming in, plus millions from
undocumented donations through the Labor Unions....

So, as clever as you think you are, a troll is still a troll.
Unfortunately your side seems to think as long as it's clever and
subtitle it's ok to break the rules here and elsewhere... it's
pathetic...

As far as I am concerned, I will still hold my powder, but as soon as
Harry starts up again, and he will, we will be right back where we were
two weeks ago, with one new member of the intolerant progressive block
we have to deal with here on a daily basis. But us "knuckle draggers"
actually believe in free speech, so feel free to campaign for whatever
issues you wish... But we are not a pushover, you may be called to the
table here and there for your behavior..


If you are holding your powder, then why are you posting these personal
and political attacks?

You seem very, very angry. I'm sorry for you.

On 10/27/2010 7:12 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/26/2010 11:32 PM, Eddie wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:19:34 -0400, "Paul@BYC"

I teach at a university in the middle of the state.

What do you teach?

Upper level undergrad and some grad courses in the traditional liberal
arts.
I'm a liberal arts grad, U of Hawaii '71.

Paul, have you ever heard this statement?

"College teaches you how to make proper decisions on disputed
arguments."

Another one I remember: "College teaches you that if you don't know
the answer, you know how to get the answer."

Learned that my first year from one of my professors.

Makes sense to me.

Eddie


I hope you are still in Hawaii. I'd never move from there if I were
lucky enough to live there.

Hopefully, we teach our students how to think critically, which is, to
me, what you are saying with slightly different words.

If "critical thinking" (aka indoctrination) is what happened to my
oldest, you can have it. A product of American U, just finishing up her
masters, she still thinks George Bush pushed a button in the oval
office, sent missiles to take out the twin towers, the pentagon, and the
plane over PA, "there were no planes, the footage was faked", "the
witnesses were staged"... Yeah, critical thinking... Pffffttttt...


Are you blaming American University for this?

On 10/27/2010 7:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:45:47 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.

Now you've done it - sit back and watch the fur fly.

Are you a sociology professor studying internet behavior?


That's pretty funny!

If I were, some posters here would make for an interesting study group,
I'd bet.

My underpinnings and teachings are more classical, and less
trade-schoolish, not that there is anything wrong with learning a trade.
In my classes, you might learn what some great thinkers thought, why
they thought that, how those thoughts evolved, how they influence us
today. You'd also be required to write many long papers.

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message
...
On Oct 27, 6:45 am, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
On 10/27/2010 6:24 AM, I am Tosk wrote:





In ,
says...

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:00:05 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/26/2010 5:50 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:01:53 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/26/2010 3:38 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/26/2010 3:18 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:19:34 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/26/2010 11:43 AM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:00:01 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:28 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

I get a lunch break, but you guys get to post here all day.
Rich? Retired? Not me.

I work from home, my wife is my boss, and after 20 years, we
still get
along, couldn't be better. Admittedly much of our business is
now
automated, but we spent many a year and hour getting here

I teach at a university in the middle of the state.

What do you teach?

Upper level undergrad and some grad courses in the traditional
liberal
arts.

Uh oh, one of the brainwashers!

As you know, ignorance is being worn as a badge of honor by a
good
many Americans, including certain beverage-based political
organizations.

Glad to hear there's still some who are committed to edumacating
our
yungins.

Through no fault of mine, we have a very high percentage of our
students
going on to receive doctorates in the arts and sciences.
Smart is encouraged; stupid is not. :)

And still a political troll post, no matter how you look at it...

It is trolling to mention teaching and academic achievement?

Look out, you've already raised some hairs. Just mentioning higher ed
makes folks nervous around here...

Kool-aid is served year 'round hereabouts.

There really is a strong undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in this
country, more so than at any other time I can remember. It's too bad
because a dumbed down America will go down the tubes.

You mean "down the tubes" faster. The Chinese are turning out
engineers at 10 times the rate we are, many of them studying at our
universities.

The emergence of this beverage-based group really puts a point on it.
Their candidates don't require a basic knowledge of the constitution,
pivotal supreme court rulings or basic tenets of law. Instead, they
just supply a few common sense-isms, rail on the media, taxes, them
smart folks who got us in all this trouble, and mention the day they
accepted Jesus into their lives as their personal lord and savior.

That's it! You're electable and ready to govern! Yahooo!

Please don't feel obligated to respond. I'm already tainted by the
"liberal" stamp and you can remain above the fray. You should try to
keep it that way as long as possible since you'll have chosen sides
otherwise.

I hope your students help our country rediscover the pride of a
liberal arts education, the ability to leverage well-developed
critical thinking skills, and be of a country that accepts the
responsibility of the social compact between citizens, our obligation
to the state and our country.

Screw the greedy, the globalists and anybody who shops Walmart.

It's ok JPS, our new poster already tainted himself, progressives can't
help it, they just can't play fair here or anywhere else...

I don't know you at all, but you seem extraordinarily volatile and
subject to wide mood swings. One minute you seem to agree this would be
a better place without all the personal name calling and the next minute
you're engaging in it.

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your selective criticism here has already given you away... So go
ahead, tell us all the talking points... I am for progress too, but
not regressive progress which stifles free speech, and directs every
aspect of our lives... but whatever, I had hopes for you, but no
matter what clothes you wear, a wolf is still a wolf...


You shouldn't get worked up about sock puppets.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:16:26 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...


/SNIP [THAT MEANS THE ABOVE WAS TAKEN FROM A PREVIOUS POST AND
REPOSTED FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE AND TO AVOID ANY FURTHER CONFUSION ABOUT
SCROLLING AND SUCH...]

So my question is simple, what part of "badge of ignorance" or
"beverage-based political organization" don't you guys understand? I
have to know... Or is the no political troll posts agreement out the
window already? Or is it just Harry and his friends that can troll now
that the spoofers have been cleared away?... Yup, I win another pool..

Yup, as I said in another post, I missed that. I was looking at the post by
Paul, to which you'd responded instead of responding to jps who made the post
which you found too offensive not to ignore.

However, learning to ignore offensive posts is a good thing.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:38:32 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote:

On 10/27/2010 7:09 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/27/2010 6:36 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

And still a political troll post, no matter how you look at it...

In what way?

Scott, you need to relax and dial down your sensitivity level. Sit
back, read what you like, ignore the rest.

Hey Wayne, I am still holding my powder even though Harry, Bonnie, JPS
and our new friend still think this is the place for political
trolling...


What "political trolling" have I posted?

Well, this is...

snip
Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.
/snip

You are suggesting that "the other side" does not want "scientific
development" (which is code for you want no compromise on stem cell
research whatsoever) and you got the LaRaza line down for the rest of
the paragraph, suggesting that the other side is not for "fair play"
which of course is code for "no id's required, free lunch time", and the
whole "scaring large blocks of people" is directed at republicans, even
though the whole "we are gonna' have 8% unemployment if we don't pay off
the unions right now", and "the big bad republicans are sneaking outside
money (like the millions the dems got from Soros and the Chinese
Military in the last few elections) in to "steal" the election when the
dems still have the same money coming in, plus millions from
undocumented donations through the Labor Unions....

So, as clever as you think you are, a troll is still a troll.
Unfortunately your side seems to think as long as it's clever and
subtitle it's ok to break the rules here and elsewhere... it's
pathetic...

As far as I am concerned, I will still hold my powder, but as soon as
Harry starts up again, and he will, we will be right back where we were
two weeks ago, with one new member of the intolerant progressive block
we have to deal with here on a daily basis. But us "knuckle draggers"
actually believe in free speech, so feel free to campaign for whatever
issues you wish... But we are not a pushover, you may be called to the
table here and there for your behavior..


If you are holding your powder, then why are you posting these personal
and political attacks?

You seem very, very angry. I'm sorry for you.

Paul, your personal snipes and name-calling don't lend you much credence. You
can make your point without either.

Why not tone down the rhetoric?
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H

On 10/27/2010 7:09 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.
/snip



You are suggesting that "the other side" does not want "scientific
development" (which is code for you want no compromise on stem cell
research whatsoever) and you got the LaRaza line down for the rest of
the paragraph, suggesting that the other side is not for "fair play"
which of course is code for "no id's required, free lunch time", and the
whole "scaring large blocks of people" is directed at republicans, even
though the whole "we are gonna' have 8% unemployment if we don't pay off
the unions right now", and "the big bad republicans are sneaking outside
money (like the millions the dems got from Soros and the Chinese
Military in the last few elections) in to "steal" the election when the
dems still have the same money coming in, plus millions from
undocumented donations through the Labor Unions....



I've made no such suggestion. I've merely stated that I am a progressive
and have certain beliefs and values based upon my position as a
progressive. As a student of history, I am an admirer of thinkers on
both sides of our two party political spectrum, including Dwight
Eisenhower, Nelson Rockefeller and even Richard Nixon, two of whom were
both conservative and progressive.

You seem to be caught up in the rhetoric of those nattering nabobs of
negativism, the tea party and fox news. Not me.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:51:18 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote:

On 10/27/2010 7:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:45:47 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
wrote:

Sure, I'm progressive. I believe in progress, in moving forward, in
extending rights, in scientific development, in opening doors, in making
sure the "play" is fair. I don't believe in scapegoating, in blaming one
ethnic group or another for our society's failures, or in trying to get
ahead by scaring large blocks of nervous people.

Now you've done it - sit back and watch the fur fly.

Are you a sociology professor studying internet behavior?


That's pretty funny!

If I were, some posters here would make for an interesting study group,
I'd bet.

My underpinnings and teachings are more classical, and less
trade-schoolish, not that there is anything wrong with learning a trade.
In my classes, you might learn what some great thinkers thought, why
they thought that, how those thoughts evolved, how they influence us
today. You'd also be required to write many long papers.


Must the papers be of a certain 'bent' to recieve a good grade?
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H