On Oct 9, 9:09*am, "A.Boater" wrote:
I thought that was pretty clear.

If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you aren't
actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will be an even
greater disaster.

In the 4 years since MTBE was banned and they stared putting alcohol in
fuel, I have overhauled the carbs on one engine twice and on the larger
boat, was forced to pay to polish the fuel to get the crap out of the tank
before it worked its way into the engine fuel system.

Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about equal
to milk.



"If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you
aren't actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will
be an even greater disaster.

Well, I USE my boats, but they have chevy engines in them, they seem
to run on the 89.5 stuff just fine., and I agree that a 50/50 blend is
no really a good nor a practical idea.

And I know the modern stabilizers help the older 2 cycles, but it
seems that the way of the two stroke will probably go the way of the
steam engine.

"Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about
equal to milk."

You mean it lasts that long?

On 10/9/10 12:14 PM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 9, 9:09 am, wrote:
I thought that was pretty clear.

If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you aren't
actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will be an even
greater disaster.

In the 4 years since MTBE was banned and they stared putting alcohol in
fuel, I have overhauled the carbs on one engine twice and on the larger
boat, was forced to pay to polish the fuel to get the crap out of the tank
before it worked its way into the engine fuel system.

Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about equal
to milk.



"If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you
aren't actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will
be an even greater disaster.

Well, I USE my boats, but they have chevy engines in them, they seem
to run on the 89.5 stuff just fine., and I agree that a 50/50 blend is
no really a good nor a practical idea.

And I know the modern stabilizers help the older 2 cycles, but it
seems that the way of the two stroke will probably go the way of the
steam engine.

"Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about
equal to milk."

You mean it lasts that long?


Have you tried a good external fuel filter/water separator?
All of my outboards since the 1990's have had these, in addition to any
"under the hood" filter/separators the motors have had.

This spring, after sitting in the tanks of my Parker since November
2009, the 60 gallons of ethanol/gasoline had no trouble starting my
Yamaha start on the first try. It wasn't until two weekends later than I
had burned most of the fuel off and refilled the tank to 100 gallons.

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On Oct 9, 11:21*am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 12:14 PM, Tim wrote:



On Oct 9, 9:09 am, *wrote:
I thought that was pretty clear.

If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you aren't
actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will be an even
greater disaster.

In the 4 years since MTBE was banned and they stared putting alcohol in
fuel, I have overhauled the carbs on one engine twice and on the larger
boat, was forced to pay to polish the fuel to get the crap out of the tank
before it worked its way into the engine fuel system.

Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about equal
to milk.

"If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you
aren't actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will
be an even *greater disaster.

Well, I USE my boats, but they *have chevy engines in them, they seem
to run on the 89.5 stuff just fine., and I agree that a 50/50 blend is
no really a good nor a practical idea.

* And I know the modern stabilizers *help the older 2 cycles, but it
seems that the way of the two stroke will probably go the way of the
steam engine.

"Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about
equal to milk."

You mean it lasts that long?

Have you tried a good external fuel filter/water separator?
All of my outboards since the 1990's have had these, in addition to any
"under the hood" filter/separators the motors have had.

This spring, after sitting in the tanks of my Parker since November
2009, the 60 gallons of ethanol/gasoline had no trouble starting my
Yamaha start on the first try. It wasn't until two weekends later than I
had burned most of the fuel off and refilled the tank to 100 gallons.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

Harry, I have been using 4 strokes for several years now, and only
have one 2 cycle which I've run but dont' really know that much about
it, but I'm learning. I know it pushes the 30' pontoon well, for a 85
hp. but it really likes to drink the fuel considering what I'm used to
with a mercruiser.

I'm up for any suggestions on how to improve the performance, economy
and reliability of the old engine, though.

Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/9/10 12:14 PM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 9, 9:09 am, wrote:
I thought that was pretty clear.

If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you aren't
actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will be an
even
greater disaster.

In the 4 years since MTBE was banned and they stared putting alcohol in
fuel, I have overhauled the carbs on one engine twice and on the larger
boat, was forced to pay to polish the fuel to get the crap out of
the tank
before it worked its way into the engine fuel system.

Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life
about equal
to milk.



"If you don't personally KNOW that 10% alcohol is a disaster, you
aren't actually USING the boat. An addition of 50% MORE alcohol will
be an even greater disaster.

Well, I USE my boats, but they have chevy engines in them, they seem
to run on the 89.5 stuff just fine., and I agree that a 50/50 blend is
no really a good nor a practical idea.

And I know the modern stabilizers help the older 2 cycles, but it
seems that the way of the two stroke will probably go the way of the
steam engine.

"Just the SMELL of the fuel tells you the stuff has a shelf life about
equal to milk."

You mean it lasts that long?


Have you tried a good external fuel filter/water separator?
All of my outboards since the 1990's have had these, in addition to
any "under the hood" filter/separators the motors have had.

This spring, after sitting in the tanks of my Parker since November
2009, the 60 gallons of ethanol/gasoline had no trouble starting my
Yamaha start on the first try. It wasn't until two weekends later than
I had burned most of the fuel off and refilled the tank to 100 gallons.

You haven't burned 60 gallons of fuel in a boat in the last ten years,
WAFA.

On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:05:15 -0400, LG wrote:

You haven't burned 60 gallons of fuel in a boat in the last ten years,
WAFA.

He was pretty much limited to what he could siphon from Karen's car
when she wasn't looking.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:05:15 -0400, wrote:


You haven't burned 60 gallons of fuel in a boat in the last ten years,
WAFA.

He was pretty much limited to what he could siphon from Karen's car
when she wasn't looking.


THAT was funny!

On Oct 9, 11:37*am, "A.Boater" wrote:
On *9-Oct-2010, Tim wrote:

Well, I USE my boats, but they *have chevy engines in them, they seem
to run on the 89.5 stuff just fine., and I agree that a 50/50 blend is
no really a good nor a practical idea.

I think the stuff will burn in any engine, but your power will decrease and
you fuel burn per hour will increase. That is just a physical reality that
alcohol has less heat energy than gasoline.

My point has been that there is water, water unforeseen by the engineers
that designed the marine fuel systems, sitting in and traveling through your
fuel system. Your fuel tank(s), fuel lines, and fuel distribution system is
being damaged. It is just a matter of time before you become painfully aware
of the problem. *There is also the problem that you will experience phase
separation and that you will be burning ONLY on alcohol, if you don't get
only water. Back to the 2-cycle folks. If you experience phase separation,
your 2-cycle oil separates out of the fuel and you have no lubrication.

And that's a bad problem with the E-85 fuel, Even with quality
stabilizers, the oil dosn't blend with the fuel and ends up totally
separating. Even if shaken well, the two properties get a divorce
really quick.
this is off the cuff, but I'd think that the boat mechanics love it
because it's good for business.

On Oct 9, 11:50*am, Tim wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:37*am, "A.Boater" wrote:



On *9-Oct-2010, Tim wrote:

Well, I USE my boats, but they *have chevy engines in them, they seem
to run on the 89.5 stuff just fine., and I agree that a 50/50 blend is
no really a good nor a practical idea.

I think the stuff will burn in any engine, but your power will decrease and
you fuel burn per hour will increase. That is just a physical reality that
alcohol has less heat energy than gasoline.

My point has been that there is water, water unforeseen by the engineers
that designed the marine fuel systems, sitting in and traveling through your
fuel system. Your fuel tank(s), fuel lines, and fuel distribution system is
being damaged. It is just a matter of time before you become painfully aware
of the problem. *There is also the problem that you will experience phase
separation and that you will be burning ONLY on alcohol, if you don't get
only water. Back to the 2-cycle folks. If you experience phase separation,
your 2-cycle oil separates out of the fuel and you have no lubrication.

And that's a bad problem with the E-85 fuel, Even with quality
stabilizers, the oil dosn't blend with the fuel and ends up totally
separating. Even if shaken well, the two properties get a divorce
really quick.
this is off the cuff, but *I'd think that the *boat mechanics love it
because it's good for business.

pardon me, I should have said the mechanics 'would' love it... not
that they do....

On 10/10/10 1:30 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

I dunno, they are starting to make rule changes in the Motorcycle
industry that seem to anticipate more two strokes in the future. There
is a lot of buzz about advances that might make them more fuel
efficient.


Are you planning to mount a future two cycle motorbike engine on that
rotting hulk of a boat of yours?

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"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message ...
On 10/10/10 1:30 AM, I am Tosk wrote:

I dunno, they are starting to make rule changes in the Motorcycle
industry that seem to anticipate more two strokes in the future. There
is a lot of buzz about advances that might make them more fuel
efficient.


Are you planning to mount a future two cycle motorbike engine on that
rotting hulk of a boat of yours?

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

Good going turd breath. I can see you are trying to improve your image.

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