On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:31:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

The even bigger question is how does the three year old tell the
difference between your example bus and a bus filled with normal kids
being driven by a barren woman?

Given the choice, what which bus would the three year old hit?

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:39:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:41:01 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:31:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

The even bigger question is how does the three year old tell the
difference between your example bus and a bus filled with normal kids
being driven by a barren woman?

Given the choice, what which bus would the three year old hit?

OK I just threw in the school bus, the handicapped kids and the
pregnant woman to push as many buttons as possible but back to the
point

Would you throw a parent in jail if their kid found the car keys, got
in the car and killed themselves someone else?
It is a similar weapon, potentially deadly for whoever it hits.
There is only one kind of dead.

My point is: That this trouble with guns is so out of control that
our best answer to negligence in gun safety has us prosecuting parents
of dead kids?

WTF is wrong with this picture?

The cat is out of the bag and now we're coming up with idiotic answers
because lawmakers are too scared of the gun lobby, it's money and
political clout.

On 9/17/10 12:13 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:39:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:41:01 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:31:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

The even bigger question is how does the three year old tell the
difference between your example bus and a bus filled with normal kids
being driven by a barren woman?

Given the choice, what which bus would the three year old hit?

OK I just threw in the school bus, the handicapped kids and the
pregnant woman to push as many buttons as possible but back to the
point

Would you throw a parent in jail if their kid found the car keys, got
in the car and killed themselves someone else?
It is a similar weapon, potentially deadly for whoever it hits.
There is only one kind of dead.

My point is: That this trouble with guns is so out of control that
our best answer to negligence in gun safety has us prosecuting parents
of dead kids?

WTF is wrong with this picture?

The cat is out of the bag and now we're coming up with idiotic answers
because lawmakers are too scared of the gun lobby, it's money and
political clout.


Fretwell doesn't want anything done about anything, because everything
is morally equivalent. Or some such nonsense.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:39:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:41:01 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:31:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded
guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

The even bigger question is how does the three year old tell the
difference between your example bus and a bus filled with normal kids
being driven by a barren woman?

Given the choice, what which bus would the three year old hit?

OK I just threw in the school bus, the handicapped kids and the
pregnant woman to push as many buttons as possible but back to the
point

Would you throw a parent in jail if their kid found the car keys, got
in the car and killed themselves someone else?
It is a similar weapon, potentially deadly for whoever it hits.
There is only one kind of dead.

My point is: That this trouble with guns is so out of control that
our best answer to negligence in gun safety has us prosecuting parents
of dead kids?

WTF is wrong with this picture?

The cat is out of the bag and now we're coming up with idiotic answers
because lawmakers are too scared of the gun lobby, it's money and
political clout.

Well, adults are typically legally responsible for their children's
behavior, so from a legal standpoint, it makes some sense. You're right that
it doesn't help much after the fact of the death, but by that logic we might
as well let murderers go without penalty, or at least the ones that murdered
with some justification... spousal abuse reaction, whatever.

I don't know if gun locks are worth it or not, but if you saw Moore's
Bowling for Columbine, it isn't about the number of guns. It's about the
society in which they exist.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:39:38 -0400, wrote:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:41:01 -0700, wrote:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:31:43 -0400, wrote:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:


A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

The even bigger question is how does the three year old tell the
difference between your example bus and a bus filled with normal kids
being driven by a barren woman?

Given the choice, what which bus would the three year old hit?

OK I just threw in the school bus, the handicapped kids and the
pregnant woman to push as many buttons as possible but back to the
point

Would you throw a parent in jail if their kid found the car keys, got
in the car and killed themselves someone else?
It is a similar weapon, potentially deadly for whoever it hits.
There is only one kind of dead.

My point is: That this trouble with guns is so out of control that
our best answer to negligence in gun safety has us prosecuting parents
of dead kids?

WTF is wrong with this picture?

The cat is out of the bag and now we're coming up with idiotic answers
because lawmakers are too scared of the gun lobby, it's money and
political clout.

Darwinism.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:39:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:41:01 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:31:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded
guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

The even bigger question is how does the three year old tell the
difference between your example bus and a bus filled with normal kids
being driven by a barren woman?

Given the choice, what which bus would the three year old hit?

OK I just threw in the school bus, the handicapped kids and the
pregnant woman to push as many buttons as possible but back to the
point

Would you throw a parent in jail if their kid found the car keys, got
in the car and killed themselves someone else?
It is a similar weapon, potentially deadly for whoever it hits.
There is only one kind of dead.

My point is: That this trouble with guns is so out of control that
our best answer to negligence in gun safety has us prosecuting parents
of dead kids?

WTF is wrong with this picture?

WTF is wrong with holding people responsible for their actions???

On 9/16/10 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:17 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

A three year old is killed while playing with one of daddy's loaded guns
and you call it an accident? It was negligence at the very least. The
father should be brought up on criminal charges.

I don't disagree as I said in my last note but being devil's advocate,
would you feel the same way if the kid found the car keys and drove
the car out in front of a school bus full of handicapped kids, driven
by a pregnant woman?

Nope.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:07:39 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

On 9/16/2010 11:54 AM, jps wrote:

Because that's what our screwed up laws prescribe...

God forbid we'd try to control the distribution of guns.


BATTLE GROUND, Wash. (AP) - The 3-year-old son of a Clark County
sheriff's detective has died after police say the boy accidentally
shot himself in the head at the family's Battle Ground home.

The Columbian says Ryan Owens died early Wednesday at Legacy Emanuel
Hospital in Portland. Police say the boy's father, Detective Ed Owens,
was off-duty and at home at the time of the shooting late Tuesday
night.

Police say the gun was not a sheriff's department-issued weapon and it
was not immediately clear how the child obtained it. The sheriff's
office mandates that its guns be kept in a safe when officers are at
home.

Sheriff Garry Lucas spent the night at the hospital with the boy's
parents. On Wednesday, Lucas told reporters, "This is a tragedy for
the family involved and our agency."

Battle Ground police, Vancouver police and the sheriff's office are
investigating.

Leave it to gun baanning meddlers to say things like that.
Accidents happen. There is no way to be totally safe.
The family is devistated because of the death of the child by accident.
perhaps we should prosecute your parents for your accidental conception.

That's funny but I was planned. Accidents really can't be afforded in
these situations. This can't be explained by "**** happens."

A small child is dead and the parent is to blame. And, because we've
let the cat out of the bag on small arms, the best thing our lawmakers
can do is punish those who are stupid enough to leave their weapons
within reach of innocents.

The law in Washington State and plenty of others is to prosecute.

Doesn't that seem real ****ed up to you? Is that the best we can do?

This is the third or fourth incident in our (outlying) area in the
past several months in which a young life was taken.

Doesn't it make any impact on you second amendment folks? Do you
think we may have played a little too loose and fast with guns,
forgetting basic human nature is likely to cause a good many
regrettable incidents where innocents loose their very existence?

Anyone who thinks guns and humans are a good mix in volume is a bloody
dunderhead.

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This is the third or fourth incident in our (outlying) area in the
past several months in which a young life was taken.

It's always entertaining reading your harrytales... "Third or Fourth"?
What? German Screwdriver used to make a point??? Cite the three of four
gun deaths (kids playing with guns, not just murder) in your area in the
last few months?

Oh wait, not "in your area" cause "your" area is special so it has to be
"outlying", with the emphasis on "lying" to be sure. snerk




--
A "Teanderthal" is a person who doesn't understand what the Tea Party is
and who they represent.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...


This is the third or fourth incident in our (outlying) area in the
past several months in which a young life was taken.

It's always entertaining reading your harrytales... "Third or Fourth"?
What? German Screwdriver used to make a point??? Cite the three of four
gun deaths (kids playing with guns, not just murder) in your area in the
last few months?

Oh wait, not "in your area" cause "your" area is special so it has to be
"outlying", with the emphasis on "lying" to be sure. snerk

I don't have to. Do you think I'd lie?