"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom
are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added
to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move
that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.

In article ,
says...

"YukonBound" wrote in message ...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Yes, but he's MY bitter little ****.

"YukonBound" wrote in message ...


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom
are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added
to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move
that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.


What? Did DePlume steal your heart? Pity. I doubt if she/he would have any interest in a stumpy, bow legged, Canadian out islander.

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom
are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just
added
to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In
the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move
that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics
out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right
then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology
or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and
a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.


What? Did DePlume steal your heart? Pity. I doubt if she/he would have any
interest in a stumpy, bow legged, Canadian out islander.

mmm........... think I smell a Flatulent Jim here.

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:21:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I'm sure we'll see those brilliant, average criminals hunkering down in
their fully equipped workshop churning them out by the 1000s.


I doubt there will be thousands of smart guns sold the be disabled.
Who would actually pay an extra couple hundred dollars for a gun that
might not work when they need them? Police departments, the target
market, has no interest unless the gun fails"on" so all the crook has
to do is take the battery out and the gun goes hot.
The cop on the beat still has no real interest in the technology, it
is just the political bosses.

I believe pretty much the same thing was said of things like computers
and
cell phones.

I can't speak for every cop on the beat, but I'm betting most would be
interested in a weapon that can only be fired by the owner.


Why would you think that? If you read the articles you get on a "smart
gun" google you see everyone from the NRA to the Violence Policy
Center (an anti gun group) think it is a dumb idea.

When man powered tools in Afghanistan, are turning out fully auto AK's.
with kids doing the repetitive operations, why would you not think that
some few entrepreneurs in the US with a nice lathe and milling machine
would not be turning out guns for the underworld, or modifying "smart
guns"?

Wow.. you think there's a big market for it? Skilled machinists working full
time for the mob. Who knew.

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom
are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added
to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move
that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

He's trying to be helpful. Give him a break.

YukonBound wrote:


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of
whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just
added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away.
In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to
move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics
out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right
then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the
technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill
and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.
~Dumb Don "Snerk"~

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:56:07 -0400, LG wrote:

YukonBound wrote:


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of
whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just
added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away.
In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to
move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics
out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right
then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the
technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill
and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.
~Dumb Don "Snerk"~

And you maintain that you're not Dan Krueger? Who else would say
something so inane to Don?

Do you think you fool anyone?

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:56:07 -0400, LG wrote:

YukonBound wrote:


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of
whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just
added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away.
In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to
move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics
out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people
who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right
then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the
technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill
and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice
for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think
you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.
~Dumb Don "Snerk"~

And you maintain that you're not Dan Krueger? Who else would say
something so inane to Don?

Do you think you fool anyone?

Himself, and maybe The Freak. Ditzy Dan has to be the worst example of a
total useless detriment in this newsgroup.

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:26:09 -0300, "YukonBound"
wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:56:07 -0400, LG wrote:

YukonBound wrote:


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of
whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just
added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away.
In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to
move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics
out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people
who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right
then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the
technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill
and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice
for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think
you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?

Don't 'cotton much' to thieves.
~Dumb Don "Snerk"~

And you maintain that you're not Dan Krueger? Who else would say
something so inane to Don?

Do you think you fool anyone?

Himself, and maybe The Freak. Ditzy Dan has to be the worst example of a
total useless detriment in this newsgroup.

If this forum was about fast food he might at least have an opinion,
although what he had to say would likely be just as inane as what he
has to say here.