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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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No the original subject was just whether these people had the ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are not too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

I'm sure we'll see those brilliant, average criminals hunkering down in
their fully equipped workshop churning them out by the 1000s.



Again you amaze me with your incoherency.

Shut up loser. The adults are talking.



Excellent. It only took you 40 minutes to come up with that line. You are as sharp as a ball peen hammer.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:21:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I'm sure we'll see those brilliant, average criminals hunkering down in
their fully equipped workshop churning them out by the 1000s.


I doubt there will be thousands of smart guns sold the be disabled.
Who would actually pay an extra couple hundred dollars for a gun that
might not work when they need them? Police departments, the target
market, has no interest unless the gun fails"on" so all the crook has
to do is take the battery out and the gun goes hot.
The cop on the beat still has no real interest in the technology, it
is just the political bosses.

I believe pretty much the same thing was said of things like computers and
cell phones.

I can't speak for every cop on the beat, but I'm betting most would be
interested in a weapon that can only be fired by the owner.


Why would you think that? If you read the articles you get on a "smart
gun" google you see everyone from the NRA to the Violence Policy
Center (an anti gun group) think it is a dumb idea.

Some of the arguments make sense and others don't.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:21:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I'm sure we'll see those brilliant, average criminals hunkering down in
their fully equipped workshop churning them out by the 1000s.


I doubt there will be thousands of smart guns sold the be disabled.
Who would actually pay an extra couple hundred dollars for a gun that
might not work when they need them? Police departments, the target
market, has no interest unless the gun fails"on" so all the crook has
to do is take the battery out and the gun goes hot.
The cop on the beat still has no real interest in the technology, it
is just the political bosses.

I believe pretty much the same thing was said of things like computers and
cell phones.

I can't speak for every cop on the beat, but I'm betting most would be
interested in a weapon that can only be fired by the owner.


Why would you think that? If you read the articles you get on a "smart
gun" google you see everyone from the NRA to the Violence Policy
Center (an anti gun group) think it is a dumb idea.


Nutcase intuition would be my guess.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for today.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:21:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I'm sure we'll see those brilliant, average criminals hunkering down in
their fully equipped workshop churning them out by the 1000s.


I doubt there will be thousands of smart guns sold the be disabled.
Who would actually pay an extra couple hundred dollars for a gun that
might not work when they need them? Police departments, the target
market, has no interest unless the gun fails"on" so all the crook has
to do is take the battery out and the gun goes hot.
The cop on the beat still has no real interest in the technology, it
is just the political bosses.

I believe pretty much the same thing was said of things like computers and
cell phones.

I can't speak for every cop on the beat, but I'm betting most would be
interested in a weapon that can only be fired by the owner.


Why would you think that? If you read the articles you get on a "smart
gun" google you see everyone from the NRA to the Violence Policy
Center (an anti gun group) think it is a dumb idea.

When man powered tools in Afghanistan, are turning out fully auto AK's. with
kids doing the repetitive operations, why would you not think that some few
entrepreneurs in the US with a nice lathe and milling machine would not be
turning out guns for the underworld, or modifying "smart guns"?

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:55:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No the original subject was just whether these people had the
ability
to alter things.

The original subject included a false comparison between people
altering
their phone vs. modifying guns by common criminals, most of whom are
not
too
bright.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to work on guns, just some
basic mechanical skill. All of that "smart gun" stuff is just added to
a regular gun action and it is not that hard to take it away. In the
end it will always just be pulling in a coil after it does all of
it;'s electronic magic. You just need to find another way to move that
armature or operate that sear and rip all of those electronics out.

Again I will point out, the technology was invented for people who
lose a gun in a fight and don't want to be shot with it right then.
This was coopted by people who did not understand the technology or
the intent.

Defeated by a drill and a pin.



Depends on the smart gun.



Show us a real actual smart gun that can't be defeated by a drill and a
pin.

Don't dig yourself in any deeper Pumpkin. That's your free advice for
today.

None such currently exist. Doesn't mean the technology isn't being
developed. Let me know when I can have the shovel back. I think you've
reached your goal.


Not until the dirt is filled in over him.


You're a bitter little ****, aren't you?