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the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, Secular Humourist wrote: As long as my products enter the U.S. I have a stake. There are strong, and growing markets elsewhere however. I don't care who pays the bill, as long as its paid. The middle class will get "poorer" as long as they maintain the same attitudes and sloth they've had for the past 30 years. It IS self correcting, but over a term of several generations. On the other hand, it can be changed in MONTHS if discretion were used in purchasing habits. Your products? What a laugh. Cheap consumer products and automotive parts Asian car makers export to the US. My other business is high end food products, of which 2/3 go to Asia, as it's affordable there. Sure... whatever you say. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:35:07 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10 years ago. you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has increased 28% between 1997 and 2007. Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output with LESS manpower mathematically the same. ever take a course in math? - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation, but the yield is of higher quality. you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28% increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage increases while the wealthly went up. why only in the US? answer: people like you who push the right wing kool aid Change the laws to match theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being paid less every year as you are stupid. really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay increase So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is. IOW you can't answer the question. yep. i knew it. no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and doesnt even deserve to be paid why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we work more hours than they do? They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then bitch about the nondescript economy. notice he refuses to answer the question of why there's less of a spread between the rich and middle classes in other countries? he can't handle it. to him, the US is about the myth of the american dream. he doesnt realize the weatlhy use that as an opiate precisely for people like him |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:21:23 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: times that of the U.S. gee. too bad their wages suck, huh? Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage! for the rich oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare. I don't understand, the scum you elect tell you it's good for you, totally disregarding the fact that cost is unrelated to price. sorry. never voted conservative in my life and i'm sure the fascist dicitatorship of your country is all about egalitarianism and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today. Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? because it's good for the economy, moron. Ever heard of earning a raise? What have you done to improve your capabilities? why? do you think i'm the ENTIRE middle class? oh. you cant handle that questions. americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to europe? apparently you haven't. few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying. If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere as the "middle class" in Europe. Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered government housing. uh...i've been to europe a number of times. i ask again: why dont they have the huge spread between the middle class and the rich that we do? go ahead. answer the question. oh. you can't But it's better there, right? Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive. gee. i was in malaysia 2 years ago and korea this year. used the US dollar everywhere |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:35:55 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz" wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years. Then, most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output is, and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and watching Dancing for Dollars. correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just like you do Do you have duct tape around your ears and eyes? why? do i look like sarah palin? |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:37:58 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, "Califbill" wrote: correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just like you do http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html An article on the engineer gap. How can you expect "American students" to become engineers while they glorify the virtues of governemnt control of economics and lifestyle? what an IDIOT!! HAHAHAHA!! they glorify wall street. 25% of all college freshmen major in business |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:39:59 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I'm sure you and Tosser are afraid... very afraid. Not afraid, exhausted, when I drop my key's near Bawny Fwank's house and have to kick them to Georgetown before picking them up. You're certainly fearful. You are so terrified you think gay men are after you. I wonder why. Perhaps you're actually gay and repressed. Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Why do you so vociferously defend them? Are we hitting too close to home? why does it matter to you? |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:42:27 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In most cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same as in your country in 3 years. You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you wanted to. Fine with me. Stay out. Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti American. Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting. When wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return, yeah i'll bet you never buy foreign products |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:48:33 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: U.S. radio and television would be seen as a focused attack in most countries, and would be thought of that way if your population had any priorities. you're an idiot if you get the news only from your own country's news source. i haven't done that since i was 12. you? you get yours from rush. I read probably 6 or 8 newspapers from across the world daily gee. the US pretty much has the right wing market cornered. so you read only US newspapers? - if you get "news" on the idiot box you'd be better of watching Nickelodeon. yep. and most americans are conservative so get their news from fox. it's made them idiots The British papers have far more on line about what is happening in the U.S. than any U.S. publication, because the U.S. publications broadcast what is interesting to "Americans," such as which Hollywood whore didn't wear panties today or is back in jail, or what the empty suit is going to do to send you $300 for your vote. "Inquiring minds what to know!" Hahahahahahaha no one here reads the 'economist'. a pity. but america is very right wing so people aren't interested in facts just like you |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti American. Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting. When wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return, yeah i'll bet you never buy foreign products "Foreign product" is relative to geography. If you are relating to the former U.S., I PRODUCE foreign products. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation, but the yield is of higher quality. you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28% increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage increases while the wealthly went up. why only in the US? For much of this period Canada took it in the ass like companies did in your country. It has improved faster in Canada, but will not return to 2000 to 2004 levels. Full employment of minimum wage clerks (crap wages, not the artificial and destructive statute minimum wage) is fine for the equivalent lifestyle. The previous subject was the middle class. Wages stagnated and decreased due to a tremendous decrease in demand for everything from design and engineering to factory labor. I had a machine department manager that offered to take the job at the same rate I paid my secretary 18 years prior. Why? The market sets the price of wages. Always. If you aren't needed, why would you be paid more, or be employed at all? What I'm explaining is visible to the naked eye, it has nothing to do with the idiocy of political superstitions or the bedwetters you stare slack jawed at on television. I detect YOU haven't had a wage increase either. You're in the wrong country. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Productivity = output compared to cost. Higher output at lower cost in the same environment = increased productivity. I have no idea what the Toyota driving Walmart crowd "thinks." Which has nothing to do with less manpower. You can have greater productivity with technical solutions, for example, or by understanding standard time-study relationships... by working smarter, productivity increases. You said the same as I did, with 5% more detail. If you can sell 100,000 televisions in the U.S. at a cost of $48.00 each, then move production to Mexico and produce them at $24.00 each, you've doubled yield, and therefore productivity. Automation has been the greatest boost to productivity since the late 70's. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:20:33 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation, but the yield is of higher quality. you can have EITHER a capital intensive economy OR a labor intensive economy. you can not have both. we had full employment a few years back remember? and we STILL had NO wage increases. we had 28% increase in producdtivity in the last 10 years and STILL no wage increases while the wealthly went up. why only in the US? For much of this period Canada took it in the ass like companies did in your country. It has improved faster in Canada, but will not return to 2000 to 2004 levels. well, no. canada suffered less because it's more left wing than the US and regulated its banks. the US got killed because more americans are conservatives and belief your kinds of horse**** Full employment of minimum wage clerks (crap wages, not the artificial and destructive statute minimum wage) is fine for the equivalent lifestyle yeah in the US this means giving the rich even MORE of our money .. The previous subject was the middle class. Wages stagnated and decreased due to a tremendous decrease in demand for everything from design and engineering to factory labor. because the rich stripped mined the middle class. you want the rich to keep doing it with all your fables I had a machine department manager that offered to take the job at the same rate I paid my secretary 18 years prior. Why? The market sets the price of wages. Always. rather strange, then, that the germans dont have the big difference between middle class and elite income, isnt it? you keep ignoring this. you just refuse to address it, with your right wing bull**** If you aren't needed, why would you be paid more, or be employed at all? What I'm explaining is visible to the naked eye you're the helen keller of economics. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:12:13 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti American. Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting. When wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return, yeah i'll bet you never buy foreign products "Foreign product" is relative to geography. If you are relating to the former U.S., I PRODUCE foreign products. no doubt defective baby strollers, meat with contamination, cars that explode or other similar products |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? because it's good for the economy, moron. No it isn't, it decreases profits. Raises are granted as a result of exceptional performance, an increase in responsibility (there's a dirty word to you) and in socialist structures, inflation. Ever heard of earning a raise? What have you done to improve your capabilities? why? do you think i'm the ENTIRE middle class? No, you're probably craving a union to protect you. oh. you cant handle that questions. americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to europe? apparently you haven't. few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying. If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere as the "middle class" in Europe. Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered government housing. uh...i've been to europe a number of times. i ask again: why dont they have the huge spread between the middle class and the rich that we do? go ahead. answer the question. They have a narrower (previously) manufacturing base, profits are smaller, the rewards are fewer. Is that good? That's coming to the U.S. You will get no more, the owners will be foreign. That OK. The shareholders and managing directors make excellent incomes, the schlubs, like in your country, are the bottom of the food chain, as they should be. ALL is supply and demand. A low supply of unskilled labor increases the pay as the supply is limited. In countries like red China, labor is plentiful and in fact, they have an over supply - demand is small compared to the supply, so wages are crap. With low wages, prices are low, so factory labor in red Chna allows a similar lifestyle as, for example, labor at Walmart, when prices nose dive in the U.S. They will. Prices are relative to the ability to buy. People pay U.S. "normal" auto prices for an Asian econobox becasue people are willing to pay the price. Demand sets the price of everything, including wages. oh. you can't But it's better there, right? Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive. gee. i was in malaysia 2 years ago and korea this year. used the US dollar everywhere Korea has mega billions of exports to the U.S; of course they do. Indonesia and Malaysia inherited the consumer electronics industry, Japan to Korea to Malaysia, in the mid to late '90's. The Philippines is not at the economic scale of Korea and enclaves of Malaysia. Yet. The dollar (US dollar) is becoming toast. That's not a problem. |
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On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Do you have duct tape around your ears and eyes? why? do i look like sarah palin? Why? Do I look like Mr. Magoo? (came in 2nd to Hussein in 2008) |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: How can you expect "American students" to become engineers while they glorify the virtues of governemnt control of economics and lifestyle? what an IDIOT!! HAHAHAHA!! they glorify wall street. 25% of all college freshmen major in business Poor statistic but expected. Business students have opportunities in money laundering and government. Engineering students have opportunities overseas. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. Guess I did hit close to home, eh? |
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On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I explained the solution. What's your plan? You explained nothing about a viable solution. You just ranted about "taking back" the country. Meaningless. I've never use the term "taking back the country." That's a mindless political rant that must appeal to the waddling masses or it wouldn't be repeatedly used. We're in a recession. They've happened before. The current administration is doing all it can (anything less would be political suicide) to turn things around. The Dems in Congress are doing _some_ of what's needed, e.g., the last effort was today with the small business loan bill that Obama signed. They aren't doing enough and are afraid of their own shadow for a couple of reasons. One in particular is that they have no clue. All the government can, and should do, is structure to encourage outoput, not increase taxes, pay the debts of irresponsible sub governments, and finance lessons to jungle dwellers on how to wash their dicks after they cornholed another jungle dweller. You should be ashamed of your government. How will they pay for this crap??? No problem, YOU pay for it. Increased long term high wage emplotyment? ZIP. No reason, ior need, for productive output to expand in the U.S. We need to continue along the path of economic reform. We need to reintroduce and reinforce regulations that have been removed, gutted, or ignored. We need to reduce the military budget in a responsible way (we don't want to add to the unemployment roles by dumping a bunch of people on the street), we need to continue to extricate ourselves from two wars, we need to stop funding some of the European/Asian military bases, EXCELLENT we need to expand healthcare coverage, tax the top 2% more, reduce the size and scope of the biggest banks, increase our infrastructure funding, and most importantly stop listening and start ignoring blowhard naysayers and fundamentalists. Well, you were doing well, but you screwed up on the increase in welfare. 75% of the population on handouts is already far too much. Nothing above, unfortunately, would contribute to increased multi level production. You should run for office - either corrupt party would be fine - same theories. |
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On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: gee. the US pretty much has the right wing market cornered. so you read only US newspapers? Yes, daily, the editorial and letters to the editor pages - they're hilarious. News is available in the US in only about 5 of the major papers. It's not available at all on television except when a station rebroadcasts a BBC program. - if you get "news" on the idiot box you'd be better of watching Nickelodeon. yep. and most americans are conservative so get their news from fox. it's made them idiots I said a thousand times the idiot box makes you an idiot. You finally agree. The British papers have far more on line about what is happening in the U.S. than any U.S. publication, because the U.S. publications broadcast what is interesting to "Americans," such as which Hollywood whore didn't wear panties today or is back in jail, or what the empty suit is going to do to send you $300 for your vote. "Inquiring minds what to know!" Hahahahahahaha no one here reads the 'economist'. a pity. but america is very right wing so people aren't interested in facts Most "Americans" buy news magazines at a grocery store or 7-11 checkout line. That's why they "think" like they do. 98% just look at the pictures of Bill Clinton on the White House lawn with aliens. The Economist is likely the best news, political and economic publication on the planet, despite their frequent leanings toward welfare statism. Most "Americans" would flip the pages and turn on The Gong Show (now broadcast as "American Idol.") Their activities will change when the U.S. government defaults. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:39:28 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? because it's good for the economy, moron. No it isn't, it decreases profits. hey idiot. you can only make a profit if you SELL SOMETHING. do you know this right wing depresssion we're in? it's because people arent buying. and they're not buying because they havent had a raise in 40 years you really are stupid Raises are granted as a result of exceptional performance, an increase in responsibility bull**** (there's a dirty word to you) and in socialist structures, inflation. i love it. i'm for a decent middle class wage. that makes me a socialist!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Ever heard of earning a raise? What have you done to improve your capabilities? why? do you think i'm the ENTIRE middle class? No, you're probably craving a union to protect you. gee. countries with unions have a strong middle class oh. i forgot you hate the middle class why dont they have the huge spread between the middle class and the rich that we do? go ahead. answer the question. They have a narrower (previously) manufacturing base proof? oh. none. , profits are smaller, proof? oh. none. the rewards are fewer. proof? oh. none. Is that good? That's coming to the U.S. You will get no more, the owners will be foreign HAHAHAHAHA!! do you read what you write?? other countries are in worse shape because they dont let their rich rape the middle class, and therefore their rich will own the US?? you contradicted yourself in 2 consecutive statements! ALL is supply and demand. and what do you need for DEMAND?? MONEY!! wages! salaries...the very thing you think the middle class doesn't need. A low supply of unskilled labor increases the pay as the supply is limited. In countries like red China, labor is plentiful and in fact, they have an over supply uh huh. that's why they're getting 15% pay increases!! christ you are SOOOOO stupid...you have your right wing kool aid...you dont know much about what's happening in the world...but you h ave your right wing fables... - demand is small compared to the supply, so wages are crap. With low wages, prices are low, ?? jesus you're stupid. in another post you said PRICES are TOTALLY UNRELATED TO COSTS. NOW you say COGS determine prices!! you contradict yourself every single time you write. so factory labor in red Chna allows a similar lifestyle as, for example, labor at Walmart, when prices nose dive in the U.S. They will. Prices are relative to the ability to buy. People pay U.S. "normal" auto prices for an Asian econobox becasue people are willing to pay the price. Demand sets the price of everything, including wages. which doesn't answer the question about why the rich in the US steal more money from the middle class than they do in other countries still dodging the question, eh? your fascist economics can't handle the simple question. gee. i was in malaysia 2 years ago and korea this year. used the US dollar everywhere Korea has mega billions of exports to the U.S; of course they do. Indonesia and Malaysia inherited the consumer electronics industry, Japan to Korea to Malaysia, in the mid to late '90's. The Philippines is not at the economic scale of Korea and enclaves of Malaysia. Yet. The dollar (US dollar) is becoming toast. That's not a problem. gee. if it's becoming toast...then why do they take it in malaysia and korea? in this post you contradicted yourself twice and moved the goalposts about the US dollar. nice going right winger! |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:40:59 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Do you have duct tape around your ears and eyes? why? do i look like sarah palin? Why? Do I look like Mr. Magoo? (came in 2nd to Hussein in 2008) no, but you think like him. and i met the guy who used to draw him |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:42:40 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: How can you expect "American students" to become engineers while they glorify the virtues of governemnt control of economics and lifestyle? what an IDIOT!! HAHAHAHA!! they glorify wall street. 25% of all college freshmen major in business Poor statistic but expected. Business students have opportunities in money laundering and government. exactly. the very fields you worship and adore Engineering students have opportunities overseas. exactly. we produce things. and expect to be paid a living wage. you think only those who steal a billion are worthy of a decent lifestyle |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:44:02 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. she was, sorry Guess I did hit close to home, eh? why? you seem to have a fascination for the issue. you a fan of santorum? |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:53:13 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I explained the solution. What's your plan? You explained nothing about a viable solution. You just ranted about "taking back" the country. Meaningless. I've never use the term "taking back the country." That's a mindless political rant that must appeal to the waddling masses or it wouldn't be repeatedly used. which is why american conservatives use it |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:03:01 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: gee. the US pretty much has the right wing market cornered. so you read only US newspapers? Yes, daily, the editorial and letters to the editor pages - they're hilarious. glad to see you laugh at your fellow fascists. News is available in the US in only about 5 of the major papers. It's not available at all on television except when a station rebroadcasts a BBC program. correct. no one here reads the 'economist'. a pity. but america is very right wing so people aren't interested in facts Most "Americans" buy news magazines at a grocery store or 7-11 checkout line. That's why they "think" like they do. 98% just look at the pictures of Bill Clinton on the White House lawn with aliens. yep. that's why conservatives o utnumber liberals by 2:1. |
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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I explained the solution. What's your plan? You explained nothing about a viable solution. You just ranted about "taking back" the country. Meaningless. I've never use the term "taking back the country." That's a mindless political rant that must appeal to the waddling masses or it wouldn't be repeatedly used. No you didn't, but it seemed like that was the next comment. We're in a recession. They've happened before. The current administration is doing all it can (anything less would be political suicide) to turn things around. The Dems in Congress are doing _some_ of what's needed, e.g., the last effort was today with the small business loan bill that Obama signed. They aren't doing enough and are afraid of their own shadow for a couple of reasons. One in particular is that they have no clue. All the government can, and should do, is structure to encourage outoput, not increase taxes, pay the debts of irresponsible sub governments, and finance lessons to jungle dwellers on how to wash their dicks after they cornholed another jungle dweller. You should be ashamed of your government. How will they pay for this crap??? No problem, YOU pay for it. Increased long term high wage emplotyment? ZIP. No reason, ior need, for productive output to expand in the U.S. They (both sides) certainly have a clue. They know what to do. I've outlined it in the last post. So, now you're claiming productivity shouldn't increase? Do you want to pick one and let us know... We need to continue along the path of economic reform. We need to reintroduce and reinforce regulations that have been removed, gutted, or ignored. We need to reduce the military budget in a responsible way (we don't want to add to the unemployment roles by dumping a bunch of people on the street), we need to continue to extricate ourselves from two wars, we need to stop funding some of the European/Asian military bases, EXCELLENT we need to expand healthcare coverage, tax the top 2% more, reduce the size and scope of the biggest banks, increase our infrastructure funding, and most importantly stop listening and start ignoring blowhard naysayers and fundamentalists. Well, you were doing well, but you screwed up on the increase in welfare. 75% of the population on handouts is already far too much. Nope. Not even close. This is where you screwed up because you know little about economics. Food Stamps actually are a great way to boost the economy, but nobody wants to talk about it. Look it up. It's the perfect pass-through technique to stimulate business. Nothing above, unfortunately, would contribute to increased multi level production. You should run for office - either corrupt party would be fine - same theories. Sorry, but I've never been interested in being in politics. |
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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. Guess I did hit close to home, eh? Good grief... stick to what you know. I know that's pretty limited, but give us all a break. I can just imagine that you and your right-wing nut friends would think cancer is funny. http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-09/h...s?_s=PM:HEALTH |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:45:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. Guess I did hit close to home, eh? Good grief... stick to what you know. I know that's pretty limited, but give us all a break. I can just imagine that you and your right-wing nut friends would think cancer is funny. yeah they sit around the dinner table working themselves into a sweat thinking about people 'committing sodomy'....not realzing alot of straights do it, too. pathetic actually |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ...
"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor. funny. alot of heterosexuals do. what do you think killed farah fawcett? Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. Guess I did hit close to home, eh? Good grief... stick to what you know. I know that's pretty limited, but give us all a break. I can just imagine that you and your right-wing nut friends would think cancer is funny. http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-09/h...s?_s=PM:HEALTH While we're on the subject, Have you had your colon checked, Plume. You do seem to be quite anal retentive. -- Harry "The 'C' students run the world." |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: For much of this period Canada took it in the ass like companies did in your country. It has improved faster in Canada, but will not return to 2000 to 2004 levels. well, no. canada suffered less because it's more left wing than the US and regulated its banks. the US got killed because more americans are conservatives and belief your kinds of horse**** Full employment of minimum wage clerks (crap wages, not the artificial and destructive statute minimum wage) is fine for the equivalent lifestyle yeah in the US this means giving the rich even MORE of our money . The previous subject was the middle class. Wages stagnated and decreased due to a tremendous decrease in demand for everything from design and engineering to factory labor. because the rich stripped mined the middle class. you want the rich to keep doing it with all your fables I had a machine department manager that offered to take the job at the same rate I paid my secretary 18 years prior. Why? The market sets the price of wages. Always. rather strange, then, that the germans dont have the big difference between middle class and elite income, isnt it? you keep ignoring this. you just refuse to address it, with your right wing bull**** If you aren't needed, why would you be paid more, or be employed at all? What I'm explaining is visible to the naked eye you're the helen keller of economics. Forget all of your wild rants above - they're senseless: My REVERSAL AND RETRACTION:: I have analyzed new information and have to retract my previous recommendations and position. There is no chance that multi-level production (concept, styling, design, engineering, tool, management and production)can return to your country, the United States. The current, and unlikely to be repealed encumbrances prohibit companies from "moving back." The costs of operating in the U.S. are prohibitive, so even if it were to happen, they could NOT be affordable to pay the staff and labor for a long period without sales. It would take the workforce (all higher end and tech jobs plus general labor) months if not years to earn enough to afford U.S. products at the prices necessary due to the costs of production. It follows that the firms I expected to move back will not be able to produce without customers, and the middle class would not be able to "hang on" until their wages and incomes could then afford US production. The companies would have increased costs and no customers for a lengthy period. The lag would be too great, the companies would fold or have to move out, as has already happened. Sorry about the bad news. The stupidity of increased taxes (????) and the maniacal political party rants still remain dysfunctional, counter productive and in fact, destructive. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: (there's a dirty word to you) and in socialist structures, inflation. i love it. i'm for a decent middle class wage. that makes me a socialist!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Live in ignoarance (contrary to the lazy fools, ignorance is not bliss) and see my recent post of retraction. Companies are NOT coming back, so get over it. This is what I now believe. My reversal and retraction: I have analyzed new information and have to retract my previous recommendations and position. There is no chance that multi-level production can return to your country, the United States. The current, and unlikely to be repealed encumbrances prohibit companies from "moving back." The costs of operating in the U.S. are prohibitive, so even if it were to happen, they could NOT be affordable to the staff and labor for a long period. It would take the workforce (all higher end and tech jobs plus general labor) months if not years to earn enough to afford U.S. products at the prices mandated due to the costs of production. It follows that the firms that I predicted to be able to move back will not be able to produce without immediate customers, and the middle class would not be able to "hang on" until their wages and incomes could then afford US production. The companies would have increased costs and no customers for a lengthy period. The lag would be too great, the companies would fold or have to move out, as has already happened. Sorry about the bad news. The stupidity of increased taxes (????) and moronic D vs R rants are still a waste of keyboard strokes. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Why? Do I look like Mr. Magoo? (came in 2nd to Hussein in 2008) no, but you think like him. and i met the guy who used to draw him October 1 is "DRAW A FUNNY PICTURE OF MOHAMMED DAY!" |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Sorry, I didn't know Farah Fawcett was a turd burglar. she was, sorry Damm..so fine in her early years Guess I did hit close to home, eh? why? you seem to have a fascination for the issue. you a fan of santorum? No fascination, and, Santorum is an R, so he/she/it fits the venue of corruption. I'd just like the media to avoid publishing images of 2 deviants with pink hair smooching on the front steps of a city hall. Was the Communications Decency Act repealed? |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 28-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Good grief... stick to what you know. I know that's pretty limited, but give us all a break. I can just imagine that you and your right-wing nut friends would think cancer is funny. yeah they sit around the dinner table working themselves into a sweat thinking about people 'committing sodomy'....not realzing alot of straights do it, too. pathetic actually Normal people corn hole each other???? I missed that. Fortunately. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: emplotyment? ZIP. No reason, ior need, for productive output to expand in the U.S. They (both sides) certainly have a clue. They know what to do. I've outlined it in the last post. So, now you're claiming productivity shouldn't increase? Do you want to pick one and let us know... Productivity will increase if you call minimum wage clerks learning functional English productivity. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
On 9/28/10 4:20 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 28-Sep-2010, wrote: Good grief... stick to what you know. I know that's pretty limited, but give us all a break. I can just imagine that you and your right-wing nut friends would think cancer is funny. yeah they sit around the dinner table working themselves into a sweat thinking about people 'committing sodomy'....not realzing alot of straights do it, too. pathetic actually Normal people corn hole each other???? I missed that. Fortunately. You need to log onto Scotty's "other" site. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: emplotyment? ZIP. No reason, ior need, for productive output to expand in the U.S. They (both sides) certainly have a clue. They know what to do. I've outlined it in the last post. So, now you're claiming productivity shouldn't increase? Do you want to pick one and let us know... Productivity will increase if you call minimum wage clerks learning functional English productivity. What a nonsense response. Is that the best you have to offer? |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Productivity = output compared to cost. Higher output at lower cost in the same environment = increased productivity. I have no idea what the Toyota driving Walmart crowd "thinks." Which has nothing to do with less manpower. You can have greater productivity with technical solutions, for example, or by understanding standard time-study relationships... by working smarter, productivity increases. You said the same as I did, with 5% more detail. If you can sell 100,000 televisions in the U.S. at a cost of $48.00 each, then move production to Mexico and produce them at $24.00 each, you've doubled yield, and therefore productivity. Automation has been the greatest boost to productivity since the late 70's. Which has nothing to do with the increase in productivity that most companies talk about. It's about efficiency is how a particular worker does his/her job. |
the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message ... On 28-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote: Good grief... stick to what you know. I know that's pretty limited, but give us all a break. I can just imagine that you and your right-wing nut friends would think cancer is funny. yeah they sit around the dinner table working themselves into a sweat thinking about people 'committing sodomy'....not realzing alot of straights do it, too. pathetic actually Normal people corn hole each other???? I missed that. Fortunately. Wow... you're a homophobe. What a shocker. |
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