the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be 4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!





oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years, the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.



I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?


I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism; "Americans"
do not.

If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

close to large markets
cheap labor force non unionized that lionizes the right wing
lots of religious fanatics willing to work for nothing

couldn't think of any...didn't think you would. Funny tongue-in-cheek
attempts, though

most of this was tongue in cheek

but, go ahead, find me a chinese stanford university, OK?

40 of the top 50 universities in the world are in teh US.

Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years. Then,
most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output is,
and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are
qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and
watching Dancing for Dollars.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Why do you listen to political shills on the radio? Too much time on
the
unemployment line?

says the right winger who thinks rush limbaugh is god

I'll try once more - why do you listen to that crap? No job? On
"disability"?

i haven't listened to rush in 30 y ears.

you can't make the same claim, though. your brain is just programmed
for the simple stuff

Where I live very little is broadcast in languages I understand, but will
soon. Very little news from the U.S. makes it to my regiosn, also like in
the U.S.

U.S. radio and television would be seen as a focused attack in most
countries, and would be thought of that way if your population had any
priorities.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:50:10 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be 4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.



oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years, the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism; "Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:55:03 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

close to large markets
cheap labor force non unionized that lionizes the right wing
lots of religious fanatics willing to work for nothing

couldn't think of any...didn't think you would. Funny tongue-in-cheek
attempts, though

most of this was tongue in cheek

but, go ahead, find me a chinese stanford university, OK?

40 of the top 50 universities in the world are in teh US.

Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years. Then,
most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output is,
and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are
qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and
watching Dancing for Dollars.

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:58:17 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Why do you listen to political shills on the radio? Too much time on
the
unemployment line?

says the right winger who thinks rush limbaugh is god

I'll try once more - why do you listen to that crap? No job? On
"disability"?

i haven't listened to rush in 30 y ears.

you can't make the same claim, though. your brain is just programmed
for the simple stuff

Where I live very little is broadcast in languages I understand, but will
soon. Very little news from the U.S. makes it to my regiosn, also like in
the U.S.

U.S. radio and television would be seen as a focused attack in most
countries, and would be thought of that way if your population had any
priorities.

you're an idiot if you get the news only from your own country's news
source. i haven't done that since i was 12.

you? you get yours from rush.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

NO complaints - keep waddling off in your Honda to haul home my
products
-
business hasn't been better (except in the former U.S.)

You've been complaining since you started posting... USA bad, bad.
Whatever.

Don't drive a Honda. You don't have any "products" - you just sit in
front

your computer whining and complaining.

I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In most
cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same as
in your country in 3 years.

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you wanted
to. Fine with me. Stay out.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I live in the US. I support the US economy. You do neither. But, I'm
sure
tickle other men's butts.

The truth is you send your declining wages to Asia, some of it to me!
Thanks!

The truth is that you don't have a business and you produce nothing.

That is ABSOLUTELY TRUE for the three months of the move from the U.S.

It's absolutely true for the previous time and currently. You're clearly a
non-producer... just a whiner.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

entire Wall Street establishment? Wow... you ARE deluded and very
homophobic.

Fear of homosexuals?? Never understood that squeal....... (no pun
intended)

I'm sure you and Tosser are afraid... very afraid.

Not afraid, exhausted, when I drop my key's near Bawny Fwank's house and
have to kick them to Georgetown before picking them up.

You're certainly fearful. You are so terrified you think gay men are after
you. I wonder why. Perhaps you're actually gay and repressed.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Are you still trying to figure out what your belly button's for?

I'm certain that 1) you didn't produce anything of value in the US at any
point, and you certainly don't do it now.

Are you still trying to find your penis?

Tomorrow's a school day, isn't it?

Does that make a difference for you? Do you even have one?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Harry=AE?= wrote:

I'm certain that 1) you didn't produce anything of value in the US at
any

point, and you certainly don't do it now.

Are you still trying to find your penis?



Gotta save that one for the list.

It's really useful in the 7th grade.

Wow... replying to useless spoofer/liar. I guess that's about your speed.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Don't turn on the television on Saturday until 3:00 PM. Better yet,
throw
it out the window if you still have one.

i spend the weekends at the shore and don't watch TV

you, OTOH, need to shut off your radio and quit listening to rush.
your brain is leaking out through your nose

Correction - something is leaking out his nose, but I doubt it's his
brain,
since he doesn't have one.

Why do you listen to political shills on the radio? Too much time on the
unemployment line?

Why do you care so much about America if you have no vested interest in this
great country? You just want to bring us down. Your real name should be
Colonel Taliban.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 9/26/10 6:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

NO complaints - keep waddling off in your Honda to haul home my
products
-
business hasn't been better (except in the former U.S.)

You've been complaining since you started posting... USA bad, bad.
Whatever.

Don't drive a Honda. You don't have any "products" - you just sit in
front

your computer whining and complaining.

I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In
most
cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same as
in your country in 3 years.

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you
wanted to. Fine with me. Stay out.




There's about as much chance of Kurtz being a captain of industry as
there is of me spending a weekend in a motel with Penelope Cruz and
Salma Hayek.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:50:10 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be
4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.



oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago. And that production cost is only 20% of the sales price. So
20% less production cost, with 40% higher taxes, means the pot sells for
about the same it did 10 years ago. Make it in China and the production
cost is cut 80%, Presidents previous to your hated Bush gave "Most favored
nation" status to China, and they get to ship here without any penalty.
They cut the sales price 10% and you can not sell your American made pot.
You want fairness, make the same rules for them as do for us. You want to
make cars in China or Japan or South Korea, their laws require you partner
with a Chinese company. Tell Toyota, et. al. which company you want to
partner with. We got 3 to choose from right now. Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid. Those Chinese Engineers that you
say do not exist are doing a better job for less money, on an H-1 visa.
China has lots of engineers in China. Lots are graduates of top American
universities. Tell the Legislative bodies that the budget has to be
balanced, and you only get paid with money left over from a balanced budget.
Not borrowing $0.46 of every $1.00 the government is spending federally.
Same goes for states.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:55:03 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

close to large markets
cheap labor force non unionized that lionizes the right wing
lots of religious fanatics willing to work for nothing

couldn't think of any...didn't think you would. Funny tongue-in-cheek
attempts, though

most of this was tongue in cheek

but, go ahead, find me a chinese stanford university, OK?

40 of the top 50 universities in the world are in teh US.

Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years.
Then,
most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output
is,
and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are
qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and
watching Dancing for Dollars.

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html
An article on the engineer gap.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:55:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:





It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

is this blowing the top of your right wing head off?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:59:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:55:03 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html
An article on the engineer gap.


or lack of a gap.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.

I don't understand, the scum you elect tell you it's good for you, totally
disregarding the fact that cost is unrelated to price.




oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no
unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? Ever heard of earning a raise?
What have you done to improve your capabilities?


not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the
homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as
they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered
government housing.

But it's better there, right?

Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency
exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate
dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, "Califbill" wrote:

If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

Intelligent input! I'm impressed! One minor point needs to be made.


It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago. And that production cost is only 20% of the sales price.

So 20% less production cost, with 40% higher taxes, means the pot sells
for
about the same it did 10 years ago.

"americans" believe that cost affects price; it does not. Buying red
Chinese junk or Asian autos does not make the price lower, it merely helps
to increase or yield a margin for the nasty corporations. Cost is 100%
unrelated to price, always, there are no exceptions.

Make it in China and the production
cost is cut 80%, Presidents previous to your hated Bush gave "Most favored

nation" status to China, and they get to ship here without any penalty.

Correct - more so, nearly every foreign company assembling products (Toyota,
Haier, STIHL, etc.) are foreign trade zones, eliminating all encumbrances to
imported materials and components, yet "Americans" think their Asian auto is
"made" in the U.S.


They cut the sales price 10% and you can not sell your American made pot.
You want fairness, make the same rules for them as do for us. You want to

make cars in China or Japan or South Korea, their laws require you partner

with a Chinese company. Tell Toyota, et. al. which company you want to
partner with. We got 3 to choose from right now. Change the laws to
match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being

paid less every year as you are stupid. Those Chinese Engineers that you
say do not exist are doing a better job for less money, on an H-1 visa.
China has lots of engineers in China. Lots are graduates of top American
universities. Tell the Legislative bodies that the budget has to be
balanced, and you only get paid with money left over from a balanced
budget.
Not borrowing $0.46 of every $1.00 the government is spending federally.
Same goes for states.

The politicians tell the ignorant masses anything to get a vote - for 30
years foreign companies can ship to the U.S. but, in order of prohibition,
Japan, Korea and China tell their MARKETPLACE, THE U.S., to f**k off.

Ignorance is not bliss.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.



no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

It's laughable, and, indicates Darwin was correct.


is this blowing the top of your right wing head off?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years.
Then,
most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output
is,
and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are
qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and
watching Dancing for Dollars.

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do

Do you have duct tape around your ears and eyes?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, "Califbill" wrote:

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html
An article on the engineer gap.

How can you expect "American students" to become engineers while they
glorify the virtues of governemnt control of economics and lifestyle?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I'm sure you and Tosser are afraid... very afraid.

Not afraid, exhausted, when I drop my key's near Bawny Fwank's house and
have to kick them to Georgetown before picking them up.

You're certainly fearful. You are so terrified you think gay men are after

you. I wonder why. Perhaps you're actually gay and repressed.

Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor.

Why do you so vociferously defend them? Are we hitting too close to home?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In
most
cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same
as
in your country in 3 years.

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you wanted

to. Fine with me. Stay out.

Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti American.
Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting. When
wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return,

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, Secular Humourist wrote:

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you
wanted to. Fine with me. Stay out.




There's about as much chance of Kurtz being a captain of industry as
there is of me spending a weekend in a motel with Penelope Cruz and
Salma Hayek.

I don't know what a "captain" is - I saw the U.S. demise beginning in the
late 70's and became self employed; moved overseas to continue production in
2005.

You might have a better chance with Phyllis Diller.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

U.S. radio and television would be seen as a focused attack in most
countries, and would be thought of that way if your population had any
priorities.

you're an idiot if you get the news only from your own country's news
source. i haven't done that since i was 12.

you? you get yours from rush.

I read probably 6 or 8 newspapers from across the world daily - if you get
"news" on the idiot box you'd be better of watching Nickelodeon. The
British papers have far more on line about what is happening in the U.S.
than any U.S. publication, because the U.S. publications broadcast what is
interesting to "Americans," such as which Hollywood whore didn't wear
panties today or is back in jail, or what the empty suit is going to do to
send you $300 for your vote. "Inquiring minds what to know!" Hahahahahahaha

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Correction - something is leaking out his nose, but I doubt it's his
brain,
since he doesn't have one.

Why do you listen to political shills on the radio? Too much time on
the
unemployment line?

Why do you care so much about America if you have no vested interest in
this
great country? You just want to bring us down. Your real name should be
Colonel Taliban.

The subject of this thread is (for unknown reasons) "...the rich get richer
and the middle class poorer..." which is a natural occurrence under the
circumstances. I've been explaining why that seems to be the case for weeks.
It's like teaching a pig to dance.

This thread COULD be about boating, when the illegal Cubans build homemade
boats to get back to Cuba.

The U.S. is down, and it won't be getting up. Speaking of the Taliban, you
need to tell the scum you elect to stop pussyfooting with them, instead of
spending your money to import them into your country.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In
most
cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same
as
in your country in 3 years.

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you
wanted

to. Fine with me. Stay out.

Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti
American.
Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting.
When
wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return,

You're just whining. That's certainly not true, unless you believe the US is
a communist country... I wouldn't put that past you, of course.

You don't have a clue about the US, the US economy, or the great people who
live and work here.

Go whine to your current gov't. I'm sure they'll listen.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

No it doesn't. You can't even define the most simple things. This is YOUR
definition, but not the one any reasonable person would use.


Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.

In your case, leave with your tail between your legs.


no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

It's laughable, and, indicates Darwin was correct.

This indicates that you're a joke.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I'm sure you and Tosser are afraid... very afraid.

Not afraid, exhausted, when I drop my key's near Bawny Fwank's house
and
have to kick them to Georgetown before picking them up.

You're certainly fearful. You are so terrified you think gay men are
after

you. I wonder why. Perhaps you're actually gay and repressed.

Perhaps I don't find a penis in my ass an acceptable endeavor.

Why do you so vociferously defend them? Are we hitting too close to home?

So, you are repressed. Whatever. Defend them? The other? Sounds like you're
a homophobic right wing nut.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

U.S. radio and television would be seen as a focused attack in most
countries, and would be thought of that way if your population had any
priorities.

you're an idiot if you get the news only from your own country's news
source. i haven't done that since i was 12.

you? you get yours from rush.

I read probably 6 or 8 newspapers from across the world daily - if you get
"news" on the idiot box you'd be better of watching Nickelodeon. The
British papers have far more on line about what is happening in the U.S.
than any U.S. publication, because the U.S. publications broadcast what is
interesting to "Americans," such as which Hollywood whore didn't wear
panties today or is back in jail, or what the empty suit is going to do to
send you $300 for your vote. "Inquiring minds what to know!"
Hahahahahahaha

Right. You can barely look things up in an online dictionary.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Correction - something is leaking out his nose, but I doubt it's his
brain,
since he doesn't have one.

Why do you listen to political shills on the radio? Too much time on
the
unemployment line?

Why do you care so much about America if you have no vested interest in
this
great country? You just want to bring us down. Your real name should be
Colonel Taliban.

The subject of this thread is (for unknown reasons) "...the rich get
richer
and the middle class poorer..." which is a natural occurrence under the
circumstances. I've been explaining why that seems to be the case for
weeks.
It's like teaching a pig to dance.

This thread COULD be about boating, when the illegal Cubans build homemade
boats to get back to Cuba.

The U.S. is down, and it won't be getting up. Speaking of the Taliban, you
need to tell the scum you elect to stop pussyfooting with them, instead of
spending your money to import them into your country.

According to you. Mr. Quitter. Who cares what you think. You have no stake
in this great country.

I'd say don't let the door hit you on the way out, but that ship has sailed.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti
American.
Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting.
When
wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return,

You're just whining. That's certainly not true, unless you believe the US
is
a communist country... I wouldn't put that past you, of course.

You don't have a clue about the US, the US economy, or the great people
who
live and work here.

Go whine to your current gov't. I'm sure they'll listen.

You need to grasp that it will make no difference to me which direction the
U.S. goes. I've taken substantial countermeasures to act according to the
conditions. I closed my plant, moved to where production is affordable, and
have far broader markets than before. That's not whining, it planning.

There is NOTHING structurally, policy driven, trade agreement driven, or in
the attitudes of the vast majority of the population that will move the U.S.
in the direction of multi-level economic output. My serious recommendation,
seeing that the elected "representatives" either do not understand what they
have enabled, or have directly interfered and undermined, is that the U.S.
population CAN change the direction. Vote with your dollars. If you don't
want to (for an unimaginable reason), quit complaining about "the economy."
The principles, the destructive direction that took your country to its
current position, and the solution are simple. Changing dirty underwear in
November is not the answer, nor is keeping the old underwear.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

The U.S. is down, and it won't be getting up. Speaking of the Taliban,
you
need to tell the scum you elect to stop pussyfooting with them, instead
of
spending your money to import them into your country.

According to you. Mr. Quitter. Who cares what you think. You have no stake

in this great country.

As long as my products enter the U.S. I have a stake. There are strong, and
growing markets elsewhere however. I don't care who pays the bill, as long
as its paid. The middle class will get "poorer" as long as they maintain
the same attitudes and sloth they've had for the past 30 years. It IS self
correcting, but over a term of several generations. On the other hand, it
can be changed in MONTHS if discretion were used in purchasing habits.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 9/27/10 3:28 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 27-Sep-2010, wrote:

The U.S. is down, and it won't be getting up. Speaking of the Taliban,
you
need to tell the scum you elect to stop pussyfooting with them, instead
of
spending your money to import them into your country.

According to you. Mr. Quitter. Who cares what you think. You have no stake

in this great country.

As long as my products enter the U.S. I have a stake. There are strong, and
growing markets elsewhere however. I don't care who pays the bill, as long
as its paid. The middle class will get "poorer" as long as they maintain
the same attitudes and sloth they've had for the past 30 years. It IS self
correcting, but over a term of several generations. On the other hand, it
can be changed in MONTHS if discretion were used in purchasing habits.


Your products?
What a laugh.



--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Every producer of what you spend your diminishing wages on is anti
American.
Sending your money overseas is economic treason, but self correcting.
When
wages reach Chinese and Indian levels, production might return,

You're just whining. That's certainly not true, unless you believe the US
is
a communist country... I wouldn't put that past you, of course.

You don't have a clue about the US, the US economy, or the great people
who
live and work here.

Go whine to your current gov't. I'm sure they'll listen.

You need to grasp that it will make no difference to me which direction
the
U.S. goes. I've taken substantial countermeasures to act according to the
conditions. I closed my plant, moved to where production is affordable,
and
have far broader markets than before. That's not whining, it planning.

Oh yes it does. You can't help yourself but to put us down. If you're just
doing it for sport, it's time for you to move on. You gave up. Quit. Good
for you. You made a nice business decision, but don't pretend that you care
about the US.

This is a great country, and we don't need critics with no vested interest
trying to bring us down.

There is NOTHING structurally, policy driven, trade agreement driven, or
in
the attitudes of the vast majority of the population that will move the
U.S.
in the direction of multi-level economic output. My serious
recommendation,
seeing that the elected "representatives" either do not understand what
they
have enabled, or have directly interfered and undermined, is that the U.S.
population CAN change the direction. Vote with your dollars. If you don't
want to (for an unimaginable reason), quit complaining about "the
economy."
The principles, the destructive direction that took your country to its
current position, and the solution are simple. Changing dirty underwear
in
November is not the answer, nor is keeping the old underwear.

Well, we know all about your dirty laundry.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

The U.S. is down, and it won't be getting up. Speaking of the Taliban,
you
need to tell the scum you elect to stop pussyfooting with them, instead
of
spending your money to import them into your country.

According to you. Mr. Quitter. Who cares what you think. You have no
stake

in this great country.

As long as my products enter the U.S. I have a stake. There are strong,
and
growing markets elsewhere however. I don't care who pays the bill, as long
as its paid. The middle class will get "poorer" as long as they maintain
the same attitudes and sloth they've had for the past 30 years. It IS
self
correcting, but over a term of several generations. On the other hand, it
can be changed in MONTHS if discretion were used in purchasing habits.

Key phrase... you "don't care who pays the bill..." Yeah, we get that.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 27-Sep-2010, Secular Humourist wrote:

As long as my products enter the U.S. I have a stake. There are strong,
and
growing markets elsewhere however. I don't care who pays the bill, as
long
as its paid. The middle class will get "poorer" as long as they
maintain
the same attitudes and sloth they've had for the past 30 years. It IS
self
correcting, but over a term of several generations. On the other hand,
it
can be changed in MONTHS if discretion were used in purchasing habits.


Your products?
What a laugh.

Cheap consumer products and automotive parts Asian car makers export to the
US. My other business is high end food products, of which 2/3 go to Asia, as
it's affordable there.

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Oh yes it does. You can't help yourself but to put us down. If you're just

doing it for sport, it's time for you to move on. You gave up. Quit. Good
for you. You made a nice business decision, but don't pretend that you
care
about the US.

This is a great country, and we don't need critics with no vested interest

trying to bring us down.

Try to appreciate that the U.S. IS down, it needs to reverse the trend to
maintain the best standards possible.

I explained the solution. What's your plan?

the rich get richer and the middle class poorer
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 27-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Oh yes it does. You can't help yourself but to put us down. If you're
just

doing it for sport, it's time for you to move on. You gave up. Quit. Good
for you. You made a nice business decision, but don't pretend that you
care
about the US.

This is a great country, and we don't need critics with no vested
interest

trying to bring us down.

Try to appreciate that the U.S. IS down, it needs to reverse the trend to
maintain the best standards possible.

I explained the solution. What's your plan?

You explained nothing about a viable solution. You just ranted about "taking
back" the country. Meaningless.

We're in a recession. They've happened before. The current administration is
doing all it can (anything less would be political suicide) to turn things
around. The Dems in Congress are doing _some_ of what's needed, e.g., the
last effort was today with the small business loan bill that Obama signed.
They aren't doing enough and are afraid of their own shadow for a couple of
reasons. One reason is that they're cowed by the frenetic ranting and
threats from the Reps/Teabaggers. Another is that they have been
historically (although inaccurately and incompletely) viewed as tax and
spendthrifts.

We need to continue along the path of economic reform. We need to
reintroduce and reinforce regulations that have been removed, gutted, or
ignored. We need to reduce the military budget in a responsible way (we
don't want to add to the unemployment roles by dumping a bunch of people on
the street), we need to continue to extricate ourselves from two wars, we
need to stop funding some of the European/Asian military bases, we need to
expand healthcare coverage, tax the top 2% more, reduce the size and scope
of the biggest banks, increase our infrastructure funding, and most
importantly stop listening and start ignoring blowhard naysayers and
fundamentalists.