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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:13:53 -0400, I am Tosk
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote:

Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is
waterlogged.

I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay
boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig
right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb
trailer.

The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't
have an explanation either.

I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have
870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of
water.

That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.


There is always the possibility the boat manufacturers play loose and
fast with the weight, the way auto manufacturers play with gas
mileage... Yes, even your beloved Ranger, what are they supposed to
tell you, "we lied". In the words of the immortal spaceman, "~snerk~"!


Oh no - that's not the case at all. They were right up front that the
specs could vary depending on any one particular boat.

It was the 870 lbs that floored them. Even if you took worst case
scenario manufacturing excess, extra ply on the hull/transom/etc.,
it still didn't work out to 870 lbs.

I talked to their engineers about it. We came up with a plan, opened
the access panels, tilted the boat, drain open - nada. Hull dry as a
bone.

Still don't know where the weight came from. Not that it matters. :)


Knowing how you are and how much you are willing to "do" (read spend
to go fast, I am surprised you let this go.?.??

I mean, we know the trailer industry does it, the auto industry with the
gas mileage, the boat engine industry with the HP ratings, air
conditioning and heating... Almost every industry that has to do with
any kind of "performance" does it, plays fast and loose with the stats
to sell more product, why would you not think Ranger and the rest of the
industry would not do it with hull weights? Quite frankly I am sure they
all do it, maybe they don't want to but if they didn't, they couldn't
compete with all the rest. What if a boat manufacturer put the realistic
safe carry capacity on it's hull plate instead of the fantasy number the
USCG ratings allow them to put on there, they wouldn't sell any boats!
LOL!

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:05:10 -0400, I am Tosk
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Knowing how you are and how much you are willing to "do" (read spend
to go fast, I am surprised you let this go.?.??


Hey - what can I say - I like the boat. :)

I've gotten a fair amount of use out of the boat so if and when I buy
another one (which is not out of the question for next year), I just
might look into it a little more - as in take the boat apart.

Ok, maybe not take the boat apart, but certainly do some test cores
through the access panels (which, strangely, there are a lot of) just
to see one way or the other.

Admittedly, sans the extra weight, it might go a tad faster than it
does now, but so what?

You also have to take into consideration that the year 2000 bay boat
was the very first model year for that style boat from Ranger. I
heard via a pretty reliable source that the guy in PA who bought the
sister boat to mine (reverse color scheme on his) came up with a
similar figure when he traded trucks - a diesel to a gas engine truck
which is exactly what happened with me.

So it certainly is possible that Ranger screwed up the specs somewhere
along the way.


That would make sense. Being a new model, maybe in the rush to get it
out they just based the figures on the computer models...



.... and then took a bit more off just for good measure But I can see
it happening, without too much of a conspiracy.

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In article ,
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:13:53 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote:

Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is
waterlogged.

I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay
boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig
right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb
trailer.

The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't
have an explanation either.

I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have
870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of
water.

That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.


There is always the possibility the boat manufacturers play loose and
fast with the weight, the way auto manufacturers play with gas
mileage... Yes, even your beloved Ranger, what are they supposed to
tell you, "we lied". In the words of the immortal spaceman, "~snerk~"!


Oh no - that's not the case at all. They were right up front that the
specs could vary depending on any one particular boat.

It was the 870 lbs that floored them. Even if you took worst case
scenario manufacturing excess, extra ply on the hull/transom/etc.,
it still didn't work out to 870 lbs.

I talked to their engineers about it. We came up with a plan, opened
the access panels, tilted the boat, drain open - nada. Hull dry as a
bone.

Still don't know where the weight came from. Not that it matters. :)


With my Parker, they knew just how much weight in gear, fuel, etc. that
I would be adding and factored that into the weight and were right on!
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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:13:53 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote:

Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam
is
waterlogged.

I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay
boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig
right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb
trailer.

The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't
have an explanation either.

I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have
870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of
water.

That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.

There is always the possibility the boat manufacturers play loose and
fast with the weight, the way auto manufacturers play with gas
mileage... Yes, even your beloved Ranger, what are they supposed to
tell you, "we lied". In the words of the immortal spaceman, "~snerk~"!


Oh no - that's not the case at all. They were right up front that the
specs could vary depending on any one particular boat.

It was the 870 lbs that floored them. Even if you took worst case
scenario manufacturing excess, extra ply on the hull/transom/etc.,
it still didn't work out to 870 lbs.

I talked to their engineers about it. We came up with a plan, opened
the access panels, tilted the boat, drain open - nada. Hull dry as a
bone.

Still don't know where the weight came from. Not that it matters. :)


With my Parker, they knew just how much weight in gear, fuel, etc. that
I would be adding and factored that into the weight and were right on!



That is after they cut a big chunk out of the transom to make their numbers
work.

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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:13:53 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote:

Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam
is
waterlogged.

I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay
boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig
right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb
trailer.

The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't
have an explanation either.

I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have
870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of
water.

That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.

There is always the possibility the boat manufacturers play loose and
fast with the weight, the way auto manufacturers play with gas
mileage... Yes, even your beloved Ranger, what are they supposed to
tell you, "we lied". In the words of the immortal spaceman, "~snerk~"!

Oh no - that's not the case at all. They were right up front that the
specs could vary depending on any one particular boat.

It was the 870 lbs that floored them. Even if you took worst case
scenario manufacturing excess, extra ply on the hull/transom/etc.,
it still didn't work out to 870 lbs.

I talked to their engineers about it. We came up with a plan, opened
the access panels, tilted the boat, drain open - nada. Hull dry as a
bone.

Still don't know where the weight came from. Not that it matters. :)


With my Parker, they knew just how much weight in gear, fuel, etc. that
I would be adding and factored that into the weight and were right on!



That is after they cut a big chunk out of the transom to make their numbers
work.


Hey, I've told you dumfochs before, in a following sea, that cutout
won't let any more water aboard than one that isn't cut out. I know that
it's against physical laws, but damn it, that's just too bad. Screw
physics.
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