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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:13:53 -0400, I am Tosk
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote:

Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam
is
waterlogged.

I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay
boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig
right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb
trailer.

The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't
have an explanation either.

I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have
870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of
water.

That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.

There is always the possibility the boat manufacturers play loose and
fast with the weight, the way auto manufacturers play with gas
mileage... Yes, even your beloved Ranger, what are they supposed to
tell you, "we lied". In the words of the immortal spaceman, "~snerk~"!

Oh no - that's not the case at all. They were right up front that the
specs could vary depending on any one particular boat.

It was the 870 lbs that floored them. Even if you took worst case
scenario manufacturing excess, extra ply on the hull/transom/etc.,
it still didn't work out to 870 lbs.

I talked to their engineers about it. We came up with a plan, opened
the access panels, tilted the boat, drain open - nada. Hull dry as a
bone.

Still don't know where the weight came from. Not that it matters. :)

With my Parker, they knew just how much weight in gear, fuel, etc. that
I would be adding and factored that into the weight and were right on!


That is after they cut a big chunk out of the transom to make their numbers
work.

Hey, I've told you dumfochs before, in a following sea, that cutout
won't let any more water aboard than one that isn't cut out. I know that
it's against physical laws, but damn it, that's just too bad. Screw
physics.

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:12:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

Heard that numerous times.
The manufacturers don't talk about it much though.
Here's a Merc/Rude/Yammie 250 test done in 2003.
They used "identical" factory new Stratos 201 Pro XL hulls.
http://www.bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=943489
with just 3 hulls the weight variance was a bit over 5%.

I wonder how much environmental issues like humidity and air temp
during the layup/resin process add to this?

Be interesting to look into.

I guess this leads to the "specifications subject to change without
notice" verbiage we see all of the time?

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On Aug 30, 1:43 pm, wrote:


On Aug 30, 1:28 pm, wrote:


On Aug 30, 12:15 pm, wrote:


On Aug 30, 12:00 pm, wrote:


On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, wrote:


Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is
waterlogged.


I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay
boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig
right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb
trailer.


The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't
have an explanation either.


I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have
870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of
water.


That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.


How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? Is all the space between
your floor and the hull accessible? Case it's not on most boats..


You're right on the money. The Foam Cores are almost always NOT
accessible. When I re-did the sub frames,and floors in my boat, it WAS
accessible. No water in there, luckily.- Hide quoted text -


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Yep, when I redid my floor I removed the foam. The foam was only
accessible with the floor removed.


The plywood in mine had separated already, so it was easy. The foam
cores were in the rear of the boat. Both sides, measuring 5 feet long,
by 2 feet square. covered with new ply, and fiber-glassed shut using
new matting.
Problem is, I haven't found a paint that will adhere to the glass
gelcoat... Ideas? I don't want carpet in the stern of the boat. When
fishing, it gets stained with Rainbow Trout blood...lol.
I could put down those 3m " no-slip " strips......


A real POS, eh?


It'll take rougher water than your ****box. " Loser Larry".

I thought I didn't have a boat, now I do. Funny how that works, eh? So
what kind of boat do I have?

You...were the one touting you had a boat. Must be a real dream
machine as well, since you're " afraid " to post a picture of your so-
called Boat...with you pictured in it.
Now, blow up that Dinghy, and show me up...... Loser Larry.

Money talks...