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In article ,
k says...

"Harry" wrote in message
m...
On 8/15/10 3:47 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:42:02 -0400, wrote:

O

the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations.
the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases

So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years.
Thanks

ROFLMAO!!!

to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all
be under water soon!

HAHAHAHAH!!


You also bitch that you were
not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that
wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing the
market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ...

how's the middle class doing today?

under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has
run rampant it's double that.

How was that unemployment in 2000 when the tech bubble crashed?

not as high as it is under bush's depression. and the economy
recovered

this economy will not recover...the right and the wealthy have
destroyed the imddle class


yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under
clinton than under bush.

no jobs were created under bush.

Who was building all of those houses?

tell you what

you look up unemployment in 2001.

then look it up in 2008

let me know what you find, OK?


I thought we were getting hope and change.
You can hope but nothing is changing.

we have healthcare.


Very expensive health care.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!!

boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you?


we have regulation of wall street.


Not really much regulation

proprietary trading? gone.

that's a big deal.

increased capital reserves? that's a big deal.

oh. you didn't know what was in the bill


really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out
on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone
to the GOP?

That is because it was the GOP that wanted STRONGER regulation

ROFLMAO!!!

is that what they told you?

boy you are gullible...you still believe in the easter bunny?


That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market
will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it
for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for
transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If
a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID.


Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some
such?

Well, that was when that particular lie fit his agenda...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Aug 15, 3:43*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize
you're wrong. *We're so close to a breakthough!

uh no. you seem to think the middle class income is irrelevant to
policy. you seem to think the MASSIVE transfer of weatlh that's
happened over the last 37 years makes no difference

try again



Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the
rich." *Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been
repeating the lies, then the healing can begin.

they were for everyone

You are getting it!!

and you're NOT. you keep defending the massive increase in wealth
accumulating at the richest 1%...a fact unparalleled anywhere in the
western world

and you think the impoverishment of america is great news.

is there something america's middle class did to make you hate us?


except they were for the rich more than for normal people

Then you fail. Did you not read, and absorb the real numbers that
show that the biggest cuts went to low income people, and the tax
burden has shifted to the top 20%??

you know, the more i feed you baby food, the more you puke

you really are quite stupid. honestly.

let's see...you

-ignore the fact teh ONLY increase in wealth in this country has been
to the rich
-ignore the fact the richest have had a 500% increase in income in the
last 37 years
-ignore the fact the middle class had NO income increase
-ignore the fact the richest 1% have had their effective income tax
rate drop from 30% to 16.6% in the last 10 years

THEN scream with blee when you find the rich do pay taxes!!

gee. they have ALL the money. they pay SOME taxes

DUH!!

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

-ignore the fact teh ONLY increase in wealth in this country has been
to the rich
-ignore the fact the richest have had a 500% increase in income in the
last 37 years
-ignore the fact the middle class had NO income increase
-ignore the fact the richest 1% have had their effective income tax
rate drop from 30% to 16.6% in the last 10 years

THEN scream with blee when you find the rich do pay taxes!!

gee. they have ALL the money. they pay SOME taxes

DUH!!


Interesting article on millionaire myths.

http://financialedge.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-Millionaire-Myths.aspx

One in particular is "Millionaires don't pay their taxes". Fact is that
those in the top 1% of income pay 40% of all taxes paid.

Another: "Most millionaires inherited their wealth". Not true. Only 20%
inherited money.
80% earned it.

Another: "Millionaires have high paying jobs". Truth is, some do, but half
of them are
self-employed or own a business.

Another: "Millionaires drive fancy cars". Truth is that the majority of
millionaires own a Ford.

Article summary:

"The Bottom Line
Maybe you see a pattern he today's millionaires are people who live
within their means, budget and spend wisely, and focus on financial
independence first. These are habits that take discipline, but ones we can
all adopt to begin growing wealth. If these facts prove anything, it's that
every one of us can strive to become a millionaire - you can start by
driving your old car with pride."

CC

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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:44:18 -0400, "Charles C."
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .

-ignore the fact teh ONLY increase in wealth in this country has been
to the rich
-ignore the fact the richest have had a 500% increase in income in the
last 37 years
-ignore the fact the middle class had NO income increase
-ignore the fact the richest 1% have had their effective income tax
rate drop from 30% to 16.6% in the last 10 years

THEN scream with blee when you find the rich do pay taxes!!

gee. they have ALL the money. they pay SOME taxes

DUH!!


Interesting article on millionaire myths.

http://financialedge.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-Millionaire-Myths.aspx

One in particular is "Millionaires don't pay their taxes". Fact is that
those in the top 1% of income pay 40% of all taxes paid.

and in the last 37 years their income has gone up 500% while the
middle class has gone up zero

in the past 5 years, effective tax rates on the wealthiest 0.1% has
gone from 30% to 16.6%

golly. the rich pay taxes. who could guess

of course they OWN EVERYTHING...no surprise they pay SOME taxes


Another: "Most millionaires inherited their wealth". Not true. Only 20%
inherited money.
80% earned it.

ever hear of the GINI coefficient? look it up. it measure the
difference between the richest and poorest in a society

the US is 9th out of 10 nations.

how about social mobility? the ability of non rich folks to get
rich....the US must lead there, right? because we're a nation where
anything is possible, right?

uh...no.

check page 4 of this report

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Fil...n/20060919.pdf

america has less social mobility than virtually any other country.

and the rich pay more taxes right?

well...no.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...obref=outbrain

The simple truth is that the wealthy in the United States — the people
who have made almost all the income gains in recent years — are
undertaxed compared with everyone else.

Consider two reports from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
One, issued last month, highlighted findings from the Congressional
Budget Office showing that "the gaps in after-tax income between the
richest 1 percent of Americans and the middle and poorest fifths of
the country more than tripled between 1979 and 2007," the period for
which figures are available.

The other, from February, used Internal Revenue Service data to show
that the effective federal income tax rate for the 400 taxpayers with
the very highest incomes declined by nearly half in just over a
decade, even as their pre-tax incomes have grown five times larger.

The study found that the top 400 households "paid 16.6% of their
income in federal individual income taxes in 2007, down from 30% in
1995." We are talking here about truly rich people: Using 2007
dollars, it took an adjusted gross income of at least $35 million to
get into the top 400 in 1992, and $139 million in 2007.

so america is NOT the land of opportunity. the rich pay less taxes as
a proportion of GDP than they did 10 years ago

the rich have had their incomes SKYROCKET while the middle class has
had NO increase.

the rich are not overtaxed. they're undertaxed. it's the middle class
that's overtaxed

so while the rich DESTROYED our economy, the middle class pays for it

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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 01:13:01 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:47:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations.
the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases

So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years.
Thanks

ROFLMAO!!!

to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all
be under water soon!

HAHAHAHAH!!


So you did get raises for 8 years of the 30? You forgot to mention
that.

and then the GOP took it back to send to their rich friends. you
forgot to mention that

we have healthcare.


Very expensive health care.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!!

boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you?


... and it just got more expensive.
There was an article in the paper today about that "pre-existing
condition coverage" thing. They were talking about why nobody is
actually signing up.
It turns out the premium is $773 a month (for age 55+) and that is
$2500 deductible and a $20 co pay after you have paid that. Basically
you have to pay out $11776 before you see a dime.

ROFLMAO!

i AM 55+. COBRA would cost me over $2000/month

so what we see is a 60% reduction in premiums

golly. we're getting screwed, right? betcha if you try to buy a car
and the guy gives you a 60% discount you complain that he increased
the price too much!



we have regulation of wall street.


Not really much regulation

proprietary trading? gone.

that's a big deal.

increased capital reserves? that's a big deal.

oh. you didn't know what was in the bill


Oh I guess you didn't know, all that did was move those trades down
the street a block to the German bank.

GREAT!! let the germans pay for the mistakes of the rich

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On Aug 15, 11:38*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:





On Aug 15, 3:43*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize
you're wrong. *We're so close to a breakthough!

uh no. you seem to think the middle class income is irrelevant to
policy. you seem to think the MASSIVE transfer of weatlh that's
happened over the last 37 years makes no difference

try again

Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the
rich." *Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been
repeating the lies, then the healing can begin.

they were for everyone

You are getting it!!

and you're NOT. you keep defending the massive increase in wealth
accumulating at the richest 1%...a fact *unparalleled anywhere in the
western world

I've defended NOTHING. I've simply been trying to teach you that you
are repeating a lie.

The Bush tax cuts did not favor the rich. The Bush tax cuts affected
everyone, and were larger for lower incomes than for higher. End of
story.

Anything else is your broken record playing over and over, and I have
not addressed that. I'm only addressing the Bush tax cuts, and how
you keep repeating the lie. Got it?

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On 8/15/10 10:47 PM, D.Duck wrote:


"Harry" wrote in message
m...
On 8/15/10 3:47 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:42:02 -0400, wrote:

O

the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations.
the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases

So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years.
Thanks

ROFLMAO!!!

to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all
be under water soon!

HAHAHAHAH!!


You also bitch that you were
not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that
wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing
the
market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ...

how's the middle class doing today?

under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has
run rampant it's double that.

How was that unemployment in 2000 when the tech bubble crashed?

not as high as it is under bush's depression. and the economy
recovered

this economy will not recover...the right and the wealthy have
destroyed the imddle class


yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under
clinton than under bush.

no jobs were created under bush.

Who was building all of those houses?

tell you what

you look up unemployment in 2001.

then look it up in 2008

let me know what you find, OK?


I thought we were getting hope and change.
You can hope but nothing is changing.

we have healthcare.


Very expensive health care.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!!

boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you?


we have regulation of wall street.


Not really much regulation

proprietary trading? gone.

that's a big deal.

increased capital reserves? that's a big deal.

oh. you didn't know what was in the bill


really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out
on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone
to the GOP?

That is because it was the GOP that wanted STRONGER regulation

ROFLMAO!!!

is that what they told you?

boy you are gullible...you still believe in the easter bunny?


That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock
market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of
Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent
system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold
to the rich.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone
knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's
from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID.


Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or
some such?

Yup. I made a little money buying Garmin right after the IPO and hanging
onto it for a while. I've been 99% out of the stock market for a long
time now, thankfully. It's no secret here that I believe Wall Street
operators represent only themselves, and that the underpinnings of the
stock markets and many corporations are built on fraud and deception.
This is not a revelation, of course...our recent history provides all
the proof that is needed.

A few more stock market crashes or deep dives and maybe ordinary
Americans will wake up to the fact that they are always going to be
played by corporate financial interests.


--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID.

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On 8/15/10 11:17 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

Well, that was when that particular lie fit his agenda...

This from one of life's total failures, little man tosk, who couldn't
get a job shining shoes outside a brokerage house?

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID.

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In article ,
k says...
That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market
will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it
for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for
transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich.


Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some
such?


Harry Krause, a proud member of the do as I say cadre.

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On 8/16/10 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleYdednT3pf_tLO_XRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews. com,
k says...
That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market
will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it
for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for
transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich.


Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some
such?


Harry Krause, a proud member of the do as I say cadre.


I got out of the market for the most part well before the Bush Crash. I
have a hundred shares each in a couple of companies, and that's it, and
those shares have stop-loss orders in effect. Wall Street in recent
years has been a scam.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID.