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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:29:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

You missed the whole concept of unions. The point used to be that the
workers were so important to the operation that you couldn't fire them
all. Are you saying that you are so expendable that if your whole
office walked out, the company could replace you immediately?
We may be touching on why you haven't had a raise in 30 years.

I know the world thinks unions are all just take but I grew up around
the people who built the Teamsters union (yes I knew Hoffa) and there
was a lot of pain in that process.
BTW the biggest union busters in government were democrats.
I also understand in a NAFTA/GATT world, unions are not really going
to work until you can organize China, India, Mexico and Vietnam. It is
not an American problem.

Thanks for the perspective.


It was an education. I went to several Joint Council 65 summer outings
at the Lake of the Ozarks. Seeing these old guys who were building a
union during a depression talk about "old times" will really give you
perspective. That was when unions actually dealt with employer abuses
of the employees instead of the other way around.

You don't believe that there are major employer abuses still going on?
Perhaps they're not clubbing people, but bad things still go on.