On 18/07/2010 8:04 PM, Jim wrote:
mmc wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/

insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which
doctors they'll let you see.

so much for free enterprise.

It's all about free enterprise and free enterprise is corporate
America being allowed to grab you by the gonades and sqeeze just as
hard and as long as they want to.

There is a requirement for any company working on USG contracts
overseas that requires the companies to purchase "defense base act"
(DBA) insurance.
There are only a few providers for this insurance, the biggest being
AIG and the next being CNA.
The Dept of Labor is supposed to monitor and ensure the injured are
being fairly treated by these insurance companies but like ALL other
USG bureaucracies, the DOL is doing a **** poor job.
In the rare occasion that the injured is determined to be worthy of
compensation or further treatment by DOL, the way the system is set
up, the insurance company can ignore the DOL with no repercussion.
These companies are finally being investigated for war profiteering
but I doubt much, if anything will be done to them.
Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives,
belongs to big business.

Yep.

The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government
is supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our
government has had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very
long time. It's a great way to control the masses.


Yep. Notice what the lefties and righties here are doing right now.
Calling each other names.
That works out real good for the pols, lobbyists and big business.
Won't last too long though. It's all falling apart.

Jim - Former Republican and former Democrat.


Too bad people are so head stuck up their asses hell bent for no change.

Be a good time for a new party with the motto...

Right now you work for the governemnt.
Governemnt should work for you...
Vote for a real change...

Trouble is how to get 200m bozos to think more than democrat black or
republican white, and in balck and white.
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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:56:52 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:01:51 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

king the
policy?

When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they
couldn't afford to pay the good doctors.

the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet.


You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at
least
40 years. Where you been?

ROFLMAO!! IOW you approve of rationing by insurance companies...and
you are backpedaling since you guys claimed it was the GOVT doing
this. it's not. it's the insurance companies.


Where did I say I approve? I understand why you have not had a raise in 10
years. You are very ignorant and probably socially unacceptable to most of
your coworkers.

so he thinks i'm 100M americans. i know the right wing can't count but
that's a bit stupid

the ENTIRE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS hasnt had a raise in 10 years.

and he blames it on me!!!

what a MORON.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:01:57 -0400, "mmc" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:


but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was
championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency.
She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that
fell below the line our taxes would pay for it

in a sense we already do. who do you think pays for emergency care
for people who can't afford it?

.. If you were above the line,
you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't
paid the insurance company.
Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side
(corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side
(us).
Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry.
Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency.
Your party is as dirty as the other.

at least money is going to the middle class in benefits. not to the
rich in CDO's

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:36:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty.

OMFG!! he's discovered politics is dirty!!

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:17:48 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


That is what they did in Canada and UK when the fat lady sung the whole
song.

guess he's unaware that the canadian economy is in better shape than
the US, and the UK has just announced major spending cuts.

ooh well...the right never was very smart

On 18/07/2010 9:08 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:17:48 -0600,
wrote:


That is what they did in Canada and UK when the fat lady sung the whole
song.

guess he's unaware that the canadian economy is in better shape than
the US, and the UK has just announced major spending cuts.

ooh well...the right never was very smart

It is only temporary. They say that but in reality Canada is always a
little behind. What really helps us is that we are resources/food
based. Want beer and wheat, or oil and NG to warm the butts in
winter... Even export hydro eletrcity. We do not have much
discretionary manufacturing like boats.

For example, China is growing, they buy a lot of coal from Tech Cominco.
Keeps the rails, banks, incomes, cities and tax base running even
though US buyers are fewer.

At some point Canada usually does lapse and follow the US, but in part,
our government has been more conservative only overspending $60 billion
or so depending on who you believe. Small by US comparison even if you
factor in population.

Example, Federally Canada has $240 billion or so revenue. But is
overspending say $60 billion. Or about 25%.

US democrats are overspending closer to 85% by the same measurements.
Yep, Obama could double your income tax and he probably still could nt
make a balanced budget. Spend crazy madnes in DC.

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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On 18/07/2010 9:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:36:13 -0600,
wrote:


Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty.

OMFG!! he's discovered politics is dirty!!

In Canada and US, you bet. Crooked, might as well let Chavez run DC or
Ottawa. It is why I am bullish on certain countries in South America
and China.

Our corrupt governments really pooched the economy good.

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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On 18/07/2010 9:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was
championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency.
She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that
fell below the line our taxes would pay for it

in a sense we already do. who do you think pays for emergency care
for people who can't afford it?

Heard here are hospitals that take patients that cannot pay, but can't
say I used one. I paid my own insurance when in the US.

. If you were above the line,
you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't
paid the insurance company.
Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side
(corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side
(us).
Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry.
Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency.
Your party is as dirty as the other.

at least money is going to the middle class in benefits. not to the
rich in CDO's

Huh? CDO? You mean CEO? Governemtn GA is 25%!!! Makes a CEO at $50
million look cheap.

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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:20:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:23:51 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:07:05 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

used the rationalization that any bill called "health care" was better
than nothing. We are starting to see that may not be right and we are
just starting to see the ramifications of the language that nobody
read. By 2014, when the biggest parts of the bill come on line, I
expect to see massive public outrage.

blah blah blah...when has the right wing crystal ball been right?

About as often as the CBO guestimates.
Medicare cost 10 times what the CBO projected in the first 10 years.
It has been bankrupt for about 4-5, simply borrowing money to pay it's
bills.

And, your solution is what exactly? I don't think getting rid of medicare is
going to be very popular.

wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html