"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:


BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related
to
healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact
that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC.

He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were
more
in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one
that
finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics.
It's
also not the end of the line for reform.


That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the
lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on
it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist


so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the
powerful interest groups had a voice in it...

gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they?

obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would
have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single
payer system

but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was
championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency.
She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that
fell below the line our taxes would pay for it. If you were above the line,
you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't
paid the insurance company.
Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side
(corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side
(us).
Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry.
Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency.
Your party is as dirty as the other.

On 17/07/2010 11:08 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/

insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which
doctors they'll let you see.

so much for free enterprise.

This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise.
When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they
couldn't afford to pay the good doctors.
You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated
insurance will not cover it.
I think I warned you.

BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related
to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

I hope they're regulated out of business.

Maybe there is nothing they can do for you?

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On 17/07/2010 11:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:08:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/

insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which
doctors they'll let you see.

so much for free enterprise.

This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise.
When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they
couldn't afford to pay the good doctors.
You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated
insurance will not cover it.
I think I warned you.

BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to
healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact
that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC.

As long as insurance companies pump billions into politician's
pockets, they are not going anywhere.

I would not bank on that. Looking at the congression spending and
revenue projection for 2011 and beyond, huge tax increase are in store
to offset the even more spending on top of the debt spending going on now.

In fact, it looks like total taxation, excluding health care has to double.

Government is no longer happy with 0.1% kickbacks when they can get the
whole health care revenue stream. GM, GMAC, Fannie, Freedie will make
sure the politicians get the greece in lobbiests, government lobbiests
that is. But government wants that huge hunk of change to skim it for
30-50%. Plus to use it to "justify" the whopping tax increases.

That is what they did in Canada and UK when the fat lady sung the whole
song.
--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On 18/07/2010 11:07 AM, Harry  wrote:
On 7/18/10 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:


BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything
related to
healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact
that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC.

He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you
were more
in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The
one that
finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call
politics. It's
also not the end of the line for reform.


That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the
lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on
it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist



so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the
powerful interest groups had a voice in it...

gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they?

obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would
have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single
payer system

but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.


That's not true. Health care reform was watered down repeatedly in order
to attract some Republican votes. But no matter what the Dems did, the
Repubs would not go for it because real reform would not be good for
their insurance company owners and, of course, the stated GOP leader
goal of doing whatever it could to "destroy" the Obama presidency.

Dems watered it down, GOP was against it to the wire. Dems forced it.
Any watering or problems, the be 100% on the democriters heads. Don't
weasel on it.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 11:08 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/

insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which
doctors they'll let you see.

so much for free enterprise.

This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise.
When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they
couldn't afford to pay the good doctors.
You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated
insurance will not cover it.
I think I warned you.

BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related
to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

I hope they're regulated out of business.

Maybe there is nothing they can do for you?

?? You're an idiot. There's no medical fix for that, that's for sure.

On 18/07/2010 6:01 PM, mmc wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:


BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related
to
healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact
that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC.

He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were
more
in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one
that
finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics.
It's
also not the end of the line for reform.


That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the
lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on
it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist


so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the
powerful interest groups had a voice in it...

gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they?

obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would
have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single
payer system

but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was
championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency.
She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that
fell below the line our taxes would pay for it. If you were above the line,
you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't
paid the insurance company.
Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side
(corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side
(us).
Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry.
Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency.
Your party is as dirty as the other.

Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty.


--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 18/07/2010 11:07 AM, Harry  wrote:
On 7/18/10 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:


BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything
related to
healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a
fact
that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC.

He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you
were more
in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The
one that
finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call
politics. It's
also not the end of the line for reform.


That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the
lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on
it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist



so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the
powerful interest groups had a voice in it...

gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they?

obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would
have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single
payer system

but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.


That's not true. Health care reform was watered down repeatedly in order
to attract some Republican votes. But no matter what the Dems did, the
Repubs would not go for it because real reform would not be good for
their insurance company owners and, of course, the stated GOP leader
goal of doing whatever it could to "destroy" the Obama presidency.

Dems watered it down, GOP was against it to the wire. Dems forced it. Any
watering or problems, the be 100% on the democriters heads. Don't weasel
on it.

You're an idiot and a liar.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 18/07/2010 6:01 PM, mmc wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:


BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything
related
to
healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing.

Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact
that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC.

He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you
were
more
in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one
that
finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics.
It's
also not the end of the line for reform.


That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the
lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on
it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist


so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the
powerful interest groups had a voice in it...

gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they?

obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would
have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single
payer system

but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was
championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency.
She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that
fell below the line our taxes would pay for it. If you were above the
line,
you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the
gov't
paid the insurance company.
Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side
(corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side
(us).
Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance
industry.
Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency.
Your party is as dirty as the other.

Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty.


--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Oh go wash your face.

mmc wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/

insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which
doctors they'll let you see.

so much for free enterprise.

It's all about free enterprise and free enterprise is corporate America
being allowed to grab you by the gonades and sqeeze just as hard and as long
as they want to.

There is a requirement for any company working on USG contracts overseas
that requires the companies to purchase "defense base act" (DBA) insurance.
There are only a few providers for this insurance, the biggest being AIG and
the next being CNA.
The Dept of Labor is supposed to monitor and ensure the injured are being
fairly treated by these insurance companies but like ALL other USG
bureaucracies, the DOL is doing a **** poor job.
In the rare occasion that the injured is determined to be worthy of
compensation or further treatment by DOL, the way the system is set up, the
insurance company can ignore the DOL with no repercussion.
These companies are finally being investigated for war profiteering but I
doubt much, if anything will be done to them.
Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives,
belongs to big business.

Yep.

The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government is
supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our government has
had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very long time. It's a great
way to control the masses.


Yep. Notice what the lefties and righties here are doing right now.
Calling each other names.
That works out real good for the pols, lobbyists and big business.
Won't last too long though. It's all falling apart.

Jim - Former Republican and former Democrat.

On 18/07/2010 7:09 AM, mmc wrote:

Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives,
belongs to big business.

Good point worth repeating.

The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government is
supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our government has
had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very long time. It's a great
way to control the masses.

Priceless. The well worded stark truth.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?