On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:53:07 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote:



so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the
powerful interest groups had a voice in it...

gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they?

obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would
have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single
payer system

but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the
insurance companies to have a voice...

oh...wait...the companies DID...


The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

3rd we DID have a voice...that's why we got SOME health reform that
will cover almost everyone AND, according to the CBPP, will reduce the
deficit

conservatives? free market fundamentalists that led to our current
meltdown

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like pretty
mainstream polls to me.

Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims, increase
taxes for those who can afford it.

On 7/19/10 2:20 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty mainstream polls to me.

Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims,
increase taxes for those who can afford it.



Hey! Those were my ideas, sister!

:)

Cut $500 billion out of the military budget...

Increase taxes dramatically on incomes over $250,000...

Close tax loopholes for the rich...

Disallow corporate overseas investments that do not serve our national
interest...

Do not allow importation of products manufactured overseas from
countries that do not pay decent wages and bennies to workers...

Allow a commission to government workers who uncover fraud in government
contracts and payments. ..

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On 7/19/10 2:20 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST
solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty mainstream polls to me.

Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims,
increase taxes for those who can afford it.



Hey! Those were my ideas, sister!

:)

Cut $500 billion out of the military budget...

Increase taxes dramatically on incomes over $250,000...

Close tax loopholes for the rich...

Disallow corporate overseas investments that do not serve our national
interest...

Do not allow importation of products manufactured overseas from countries
that do not pay decent wages and bennies to workers...

Allow a commission to government workers who uncover fraud in government
contracts and payments. ..

I'm happy to pay a bit more. I get a lot of services and am frequently
astonished by what's available for the asking for free to the general
public.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:20:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:10:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.


2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being
done by their friends the insurance companies

Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread?



Nope. Wrong again:

http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html



That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like pretty
mainstream polls to me.


These people do a poll a week. You can cherry pick any result you
want. Try one where they assess a cost to this public option.

The only numbers re cost are from the CBO, which you don't want to use. They
predict lower costs. I didn't cherry pick anything. I pointed to a site that
lists a bunch of polls, all of which indicated majority and/or significant
support.


Cut the military budget, fix as best as possible fraudulent claims,
increase
taxes for those who can afford it.


You lips to Obama's ear. Every president since Washington has promised
that,


I don't believe Obama has suggested it. Others have, however.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:20:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty
mainstream polls to me.


These people do a poll a week. You can cherry pick any result you
want. Try one where they assess a cost to this public option.

The only numbers re cost are from the CBO, which you don't want to use.
They
predict lower costs. I didn't cherry pick anything. I pointed to a site
that
lists a bunch of polls, all of which indicated majority and/or significant
support.

You pointed to "singlepayer.org". Do you really think they would list
a poll that said anything else?

Then you didn't look at the polls they listed. They were all mainstream.
Sorry, but the fact is that people like the idea of a single payer.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:07:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:20:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

That was collected by "single payer.org"
Do I really have to find the polls that say the opposite?

The real question is still, how do you pay for it?
Are those people willing to accept doubling their income taxes?


Well, either it's an accurate list of polls or not. They seem like
pretty
mainstream polls to me.


These people do a poll a week. You can cherry pick any result you
want. Try one where they assess a cost to this public option.

The only numbers re cost are from the CBO, which you don't want to use.
They
predict lower costs. I didn't cherry pick anything. I pointed to a site
that
lists a bunch of polls, all of which indicated majority and/or
significant
support.

You pointed to "singlepayer.org". Do you really think they would list
a poll that said anything else?

Then you didn't look at the polls they listed. They were all mainstream.
Sorry, but the fact is that people like the idea of a single payer.


It is all in how you frame the question. If you use words like single
payer (without defining it) they like it better than when you say
government health care.


I agree. Here you go from various polls listed on the site...

Would you favor or oppose a program that creates a national single-payer
plan similar to Medicare for all, in which the government would provide
healthcare insurance to all Americans?

"When given a choice of the current system or one "like Medicare that is run
by the government and financed by taxpayers," voters overwhelmingly chose
the latter. A solid majority (59%) say they would prefer a national health
insurance program that covers everyone, over the current system of private
insurance offered to most through their emloyer."

Americans are more likely today to embrace the idea of the government
providing health insurance than they were 30 years ago. 59% say the
government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say
such insurance should cover all medical problems.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:47:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.

because they believe right wing bull****. they reject a system that
works because of their belief in a myth of a free economy