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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/06/2010 11:42 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:00:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we
going to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

Some might very well argue that we are already in the early stages of
a global war against religious extremists. Unfortunately I don't see
that situation getting better any time soon. How long did the
crusades last in the middle ages, and how/why did they end?

They don't have the capacity to do much damage, not even with a nuclear
device. We (and Obama is trying to do this) need to change how we look
at who we're fighting. There have always been religious extremist and
always will be.

The Crusades? Where Christians hacked people up with sharpened crosses?

http://www.realcourage.org/2010/01/b...g-case-update/

You should have married a muslim.

If above isn't good enough, try below:

http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2139

Get educated you skank. It is good to keep nukes from islam/muslim.

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What are you ranting about? Someone is brutally murdered and that somehow
justifies killing a bunch of innocent people?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/06/2010 1:27 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:45:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In the short term you are right but if you look at just the bad things
that happened in the 20th century. The depression resulted in WWII and
tens of millions of people died. I suppose that "worked out OK".
Unfortunately that will be nothing compared to a nuclear war. Who will
get it started? Most likely it will involve Israel and one of the
Islamic countries but, just like WWI, it could quickly escalate to the
world powers.

Perhaps worse might actually be an economic war where all of this
phony paper we call money collapses and people start fighting for
resources because they can't buy them anymore. In that war the Chinese
win because they can just sit back and watch. Their people will suffer
for a few years but they have the industrial capacity the US had in
1945 so they will be staged to take over the world.

The depression didn't result in WW2. Come on. The depression (at
least in
Germany) resulted from them being punished excessively for WWI.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.... NOT


Without the depression, Hitler would not have been able to take power
and the war was certainly what ended the depression. FDRs most
successful program was Lend Lease. That is what got the factories
going again.
Building parks, logging roads and earthen dams may have kept young men
off the streets but it certainly did not do much to stimulate the
economy. Building ships and tanks for the brits is what got industry
going again.
Industrially backed wars are a great economic stimulant. You get to
build a lot of products and you don't have to really sell them. You
just blow them up and build more. Unfortunately we still have not paid
off all the debt from WWII. We just grew the economy enough to
obfuscate the debt. There is a limit to how much more we can grow. We
are now bumping up against the capacity of the planet to assimilate
more growth. (population, energy, water, food or just about any other
metric you can use)
In that regard "civilization" as we know it is a Ponzi.

Unemployment before WW2 under FDR went from 25% to 10%. That's pretty
amazing. WW2 certainly ended the depression finally and completely, but
the US depression had little to do with Hitler. He came into power
because the European powers after WW2 were obscenely harsh with Germany.
That caused a terrible depression and runaway inflation in Germany,
which gave rise to the extremist movement.

Oh I am sure Obama will try to lead the US to war. Say in 2011...or
2012...

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What the?? We're already in TWO wars thanks to BUSH. Obama is trying to
clean up that mess.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/06/2010 2:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:49:09 -0600,
wrote:



Oh I am sure Obama will try to lead the US to war. Say in 2011...or
2012...

you guys keep making predictions about him.

I predicted he would win president.

Wow... stunning prediction. What happened?

I predicted Obamanomics would not work and real unemployment will remain
high.

"Remain" for how long? More people quit their jobs than lost them due to
layoffs recently.

I predict he will bad mouth and antogonize China and the middle east to
get a war happening to get peoples mind off of the economic destruction of
the united States.

Well, you're an idiot.

Only the last one hasn't come true. This is the longest
rescession/depression since 1929.

Thanks GWB!


Obama being an egomaniac sociopath, will want to hold power no mater what
the cost. A year before his next election, he will get desperate and do
something real stupid for sure. He will use the old deflection thing,
start something big to get peoples minds off his presidential
incompetance.

and you continue to be WRONG!!

So far not.

So far completely.


what ever happened to him taking all the guns away? you guys seem to
have forgotten THAT little chestnut!

Lots of broken promises. Gitmo is another, we still have Gitmo because
the idiot president didn't think to what to do with some of the worlds
worst criminals if he shut Gitmo down. Usual Obama short sightedness.

So, now you think he claimed he would take away our guns???? As usual,
you're stupid.

So how is Obamanomics work'en for ya?
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Workin fine. How's that drill baby drill thing workin out for ya?

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:27:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:45:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In the short term you are right but if you look at just the bad things
that happened in the 20th century. The depression resulted in WWII and
tens of millions of people died. I suppose that "worked out OK".
Unfortunately that will be nothing compared to a nuclear war. Who will
get it started? Most likely it will involve Israel and one of the
Islamic countries but, just like WWI, it could quickly escalate to the
world powers.

Perhaps worse might actually be an economic war where all of this
phony paper we call money collapses and people start fighting for
resources because they can't buy them anymore. In that war the Chinese
win because they can just sit back and watch. Their people will suffer
for a few years but they have the industrial capacity the US had in
1945 so they will be staged to take over the world.

The depression didn't result in WW2. Come on. The depression (at least
in
Germany) resulted from them being punished excessively for WWI.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.... NOT


Without the depression, Hitler would not have been able to take power
and the war was certainly what ended the depression. FDRs most
successful program was Lend Lease. That is what got the factories
going again.
Building parks, logging roads and earthen dams may have kept young men
off the streets but it certainly did not do much to stimulate the
economy. Building ships and tanks for the brits is what got industry
going again.
Industrially backed wars are a great economic stimulant. You get to
build a lot of products and you don't have to really sell them. You
just blow them up and build more. Unfortunately we still have not paid
off all the debt from WWII. We just grew the economy enough to
obfuscate the debt. There is a limit to how much more we can grow. We
are now bumping up against the capacity of the planet to assimilate
more growth. (population, energy, water, food or just about any other
metric you can use)
In that regard "civilization" as we know it is a Ponzi.

Unemployment before WW2 under FDR went from 25% to 10%. That's pretty
amazing. WW2 certainly ended the depression finally and completely, but
the
US depression had little to do with Hitler. He came into power because the
European powers after WW2 were obscenely harsh with Germany. That caused a
terrible depression and runaway inflation in Germany, which gave rise to
the
extremist movement.


I don't know where you got that number for unemployment but the double
dip hit in 1938 At worst it was 23%, after the New Deal started and in
the double dip was back up to 18. We were well intro WWII before it
got to 10%.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._1890-2009.gif

From 23% to 13% then back up a few percentage points, then back down PRIOR
to 1942 when we entered the war.

Again. Hitler was a German response to the depression (he rose to

NOT OUR DEPRESSION. Germany's depression. Our depression didn't cause his
rise to power. That depression started long before 1933.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_World_War_I

power in1933). Without millions of Germans out of work and hanging
around street corners looking for something to do and someone who
promised a solution, he would have just been an unknown crank.
The US putting abusive tariffs on European goods only made that
problem worse.
That was just one of FDRs flawed policies that we don't hear much
about.

He had many flawed policies. So what?

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On 13/06/2010 2:29 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:21:25 -0600,
wrote:

On 13/06/2010 2:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:49:09 -0600,
wrote:



Oh I am sure Obama will try to lead the US to war. Say in 2011...or 2012...

you guys keep making predictions about him.

I predicted he would win president.

meanginless.

I predicted Obamanomics would not work and real unemployment will remain
high.

it's dropping. so you're wrong. the GDP is growing. so you're doubly
wrong

I predict he will bad mouth and antogonize China and the middle east to
get a war happening to get peoples mind off of the economic destruction
of the united States.

meaningless gibberish.

Only the last one hasn't come true. This is the longest
rescession/depression since 1929.

yep. sure is. we can thank george bush for it.


Obama being an egomaniac sociopath

IOW he's black...yes, i know you hate him because of that

, will want to hold power no mater
what the cost

now let's see...bush tried to suspend habeas corpus. he arrested US
citizens without charge and without trial

but he's rich. and white. obama, however is black, so it's obvious to
your racist mind he wants to hold power...

. A year before his next election, he will get desperate
and do something real stupid for sure. He will use the old deflection
thing, start something big to get peoples minds off his presidential
incompetance.

yeah. just like he tried the gun grab, right?

you guys screwed yourselves on that one. what's next? obama knows the
truth about UFO'S?


and you continue to be WRONG!!

So far not.

what ever happened to him taking all the guns away? you guys seem to
have forgotten THAT little chestnut!

Lots of broken promises. Gitmo is another

IOW he agreed with bush on this...and couldnt find countries to take
their own prisoners...

, we still have Gitmo because
the idiot president didn't think to what to do with some of the worlds
worst criminals if he shut Gitmo down. Usual Obama short sightedness.

nope. he called the world's bluff. you're just too stupid to see it.

So how is Obamanomics work'en for ya?

actually pretty good. durable goods orders are up. GDP is growing.
unemployment is dropping.

let me know if you need any more help to get out of your kluxer views,
OK?

Dollar value of durable goods up and without jobs is INFLATION.

Unemployment didn't drop, take a second look. And those new jobs, part
time and minimum wage jobs...

Ya, Obama type jobs. You want them, you take them.
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On 13/06/2010 2:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:48:12 -0400, wrote:


Unemployment before WW2 under FDR went from 25% to 10%. That's pretty
amazing. WW2 certainly ended the depression finally and completely, but the
US depression had little to do with Hitler. He came into power because the
European powers after WW2 were obscenely harsh with Germany. That caused a
terrible depression and runaway inflation in Germany, which gave rise to the
extremist movement.


I don't know where you got that number for unemployment but the double
dip hit in 1938 At worst it was 23%, after the New Deal started and in
the double dip was back up to 18. We were well intro WWII before it
got to 10%.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._1890-2009.gif

Again. Hitler was a German response to the depression (he rose to
power in1933). Without millions of Germans out of work and hanging
around street corners looking for something to do and someone who
promised a solution, he would have just been an unknown crank.
The US putting abusive tariffs on European goods only made that
problem worse.
That was just one of FDRs flawed policies that we don't hear much
about.

unfortunately we hear ALOT today about repeating the 'do nothing'
policies that let the banks fail rather than increase debt. the
american right is a fundamentalist organization in many ways. they
think debt must be reduced even if it leads to 25% unemployment like
it did during the depression

All governmetn had to do to protect little people is bailout depositors
up to the max of FDIC, $200,000 or was it $250,000? In any case it
would have cost Americans a whole lot less. Someone would have picked
up the loser banks for 2 cents and fired all the criminals.

Then things would be right and Americans would have been trillions less
in debt. But Obama worships debt....debt for corruption... the
Obamanation way.

Dumb**** president hasn't figured out you can't fix a debt depression by
creating more debt.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:06:19 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 13/06/2010 2:29 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:21:25 -0600,
wrote:

let me know if you need any more help to get out of your kluxer views,
OK?

Dollar value of durable goods up and without jobs is INFLATION.

nope. i realize that, as a right winger, you don't know much about
economics, but inflation is about 2%. durables goods are measured by
ORDERS. and durable goods ORDERS are up.



Unemployment didn't drop, take a second look. And those new jobs, part
time and minimum wage jobs...

unemployment dropped from 9.9% to 9.7% doesnt do much for your view
that the economy is collapsiing


Ya, Obama type jobs. You want them, you take them.

yeah i know. to the rich and the right wing, the middle class deserves
starvation.

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On 13/06/2010 6:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:06:19 -0600,
wrote:

On 13/06/2010 2:29 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:21:25 -0600,
wrote:

let me know if you need any more help to get out of your kluxer views,
OK?

Dollar value of durable goods up and without jobs is INFLATION.

nope. i realize that, as a right winger, you don't know much about
economics, but inflation is about 2%. durables goods are measured by
ORDERS. and durable goods ORDERS are up.



Unemployment didn't drop, take a second look. And those new jobs, part
time and minimum wage jobs...

unemployment dropped from 9.9% to 9.7% doesnt do much for your view
that the economy is collapsiing


Ya, Obama type jobs. You want them, you take them.

yeah i know. to the rich and the right wing, the middle class deserves
starvation.

No they don't but Obama seems to think so.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

411,000 new part time low wage jobs from Obama. 431,000 new low wage
jobs of which almost all are temporary government. Now if governemnt
didn't do a census, that would be 20,000 new low paying jobs. Pretty
pathetic for trillions of Obama debt totalitarianism on the taxpayer.

If not for Obama part time low wage jobs, 15,000,000 unemplyed would be
15.411,000 unemployed. Putting real unemployment over 10%.

Long term unemployed unchanged at 6.8 million.

Maybe we should all work for governemnt, 390,000 added in May. This way
we can all be parasites on the productively working taxpayer.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:10:38 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 13/06/2010 2:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:48:12 -0400, wrote:


unfortunately we hear ALOT today about repeating the 'do nothing'
policies that let the banks fail rather than increase debt. the
american right is a fundamentalist organization in many ways. they
think debt must be reduced even if it leads to 25% unemployment like
it did during the depression

All governmetn had to do to protect little people is bailout depositors
up to the max of FDIC, $200,000 or was it $250,000? In any case it
would have cost Americans a whole lot less. Someone would have picked
up the loser banks for 2 cents and fired all the criminals.


nope. because, believe it or not, not only small people have money in
banks. corporations do, too. and they borrow money. if the credit
system collapses, it throws a BIG monkey wrench into borrowing and
lending for mortgages, bondholders, equity holders, etc

but, since you're right wing you're kinda dumb and dont know this.


Then things would be right and Americans would have been trillions less
in debt. But Obama worships debt....debt for corruption... the
Obamanation way.

i know y ou love the idea of 25% unemployment. why not volunteer to
take your kids back home and give their jobs to someoene else?


Dumb**** president hasn't figured out you can't fix a debt depression by
creating more debt.

sure you can. look at ww2.

again, you're just too stupid to know history

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:41:45 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 13/06/2010 6:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:06:19 -0600,
wrote:

unemployment dropped from 9.9% to 9.7% doesnt do much for your view
that the economy is collapsiing


Ya, Obama type jobs. You want them, you take them.

yeah i know. to the rich and the right wing, the middle class deserves
starvation.

No they don't but Obama seems to think so.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

that new is so old it's rancid. why not look at more recent data:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37464845/Job_...llenger_Report

The Challenger report indicated that the pace of job losses edged
slightly higher in May, as employers announced plans to cut 38,810
jobs from their payrolls.

This was 1.3 percent more than the four-year low of 38,326 job cuts
announced in April, but 65 percent lower than one year earlier, when
planned job cuts totalled 111,182.


so the rate of job loss has DROPPED 65% vs a year ago.

if that's failure, i'll take it.

If not for Obama part time low wage jobs, 15,000,000 unemplyed would be
15.411,000 unemployed. Putting real unemployment over 10%.

Long term unemployed unchanged at 6.8 million.

ah. so the rate of job loss has dropped to ZERO. that's ALOT better
than the legacy of your rich white buddy bush which saw unemployment
rocket from 4.7% to 10%