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Time to trash the Conservatives
Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss
the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote:
Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. Next time try English. No habla stupid. LOSER! |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:44:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. Next time try English. No habla stupid. LOSER! Damn Plume, you now sound like the rest of us. Only takes a little while to convince anyone of sound mind that the "conservatives" frequenting rec.boats are some of the worst informed dweebs one might ever happen upon. It's a real treat to witness 'em first hand and to be able to spit in their faces, virtually at least. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. The Alberta Conservative viewpoint................ http://thechronicleherald.ca/toon.php |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:44:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. Next time try English. No habla stupid. LOSER! Damn Plume, you now sound like the rest of us. Only takes a little while to convince anyone of sound mind that the "conservatives" frequenting rec.boats are some of the worst informed dweebs one might ever happen upon. It's a real treat to witness 'em first hand and to be able to spit in their faces, virtually at least. I wouldn't want to get too close. Stupid might wash off... :) |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On 10/06/2010 8:59 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. Nothing to stop you from buying one. Then run it yourself. Oh, it is ok as long as someone else pays for it... I hear ya. Close them down. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On 10/06/2010 12:03 PM, YukonBound wrote:
"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. The Alberta Conservative viewpoint................ http://thechronicleherald.ca/toon.php Think of all the EI taxes we will save. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"YukonBound" wrote in message
... "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. The Alberta Conservative viewpoint................ http://thechronicleherald.ca/toon.php Well they do have a point, think about it, in the last 25 yrs, what has Halfax contributed to Canada? It does sound like you are a drain on Canada's economy. You really are just useless surplus. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On 10/06/2010 9:06 PM, hk wrote:
wrote in message ... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. The Alberta Conservative viewpoint................ http://thechronicleherald.ca/toon.php Well they do have a point, think about it, in the last 25 yrs, what has Halfax contributed to Canada? It does sound like you are a drain on Canada's economy. You really are just useless surplus. Big fat governemnt like you are getting from Obama does not care about efficiency of tax dollars, they can just tax the sheep some more when the debts come due. And looking at the congressional government revenue projections, Americans are looking at whopper sized tax increase to catch you up to Kanada. You are right, we have 9 provinces that are classified as have not provinces. Only one producer left. A have not province like Nova Scota and Halifax get a disproportionate amount of support from Ottawa. So there is zero incentive to fix imbalances and government waste. The biggest business in the east coast of Canada is unemployment insurance, EI... They even rig it you work the 10 weeks minimum to go right on EI. When government gets too big, and I mean any government, people suffer. It is a constant in history. Any time a government gets too much power and control, people suffer. Be it Roam, US, Germany Japan... Because when they get too big, they can start useless wars and move wealth from the peoples pocket to government. Rack the debt and at some point collapse just like Rome. US is now on the downhill ride as is Caanda. On a value basis, I believe China has already eclipsed the US as the worlds economic superpower. India is right behind China, in 10 years US might be lucky to be #3. All wasted because of big fat out of control government. And this is boating... there will be less boats as Americans can afford fewer of them. Short of a massive overhaul of governemnts in north america, I would say history is repeating itself. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:59:56 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. In a time when the government is dropping LORAN because it is obsolete, I can see why they want to rid themselves of the lighthouses. My suggestion is to find some historic preservation groups who will take over these structures and maintain them in their original state.. If it is left to the people who's only interest is maintaining a nav aid, it will probably lose it's historic accuracy anyway. The tendency would be toward a steel tower with a solar powered light on top or a buoy, if they saw the light as necessary at all. Governments are going broke and people still are not willing to have their taxes raised. They have to make cuts somewhere. Cut "entitlements." It is not the federal governments jobs to fund your retirement nor is it their job to provide you with an unemployement check. Don't know about south of the border, but up here the clowns gave themselves a gold plated retirement plan. They just have to put in 6 years as an elected politician and they get a better pension than half the citizens of Canada do. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
In article ,
says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:59:56 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. In a time when the government is dropping LORAN because it is obsolete, I can see why they want to rid themselves of the lighthouses. My suggestion is to find some historic preservation groups who will take over these structures and maintain them in their original state.. If it is left to the people who's only interest is maintaining a nav aid, it will probably lose it's historic accuracy anyway. The tendency would be toward a steel tower with a solar powered light on top or a buoy, if they saw the light as necessary at all. Governments are going broke and people still are not willing to have their taxes raised. They have to make cuts somewhere. Cut "entitlements." It is not the federal governments jobs to fund your retirement nor is it their job to provide you with an unemployement check. Don't know about south of the border, but up here the clowns gave themselves a gold plated retirement plan. They just have to put in 6 years as an elected politician and they get a better pension than half the citizens of Canada do. That's nothing compared to the pensions my union gives out. Good thing they had me to go to the CEO's of the big three auto makers and fight for that. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 10/06/2010 9:06 PM, hk wrote: wrote in message ... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. The Alberta Conservative viewpoint................ http://thechronicleherald.ca/toon.php Well they do have a point, think about it, in the last 25 yrs, what has Halfax contributed to Canada? It does sound like you are a drain on Canada's economy. You really are just useless surplus. Big fat governemnt like you are getting from Obama does not care about efficiency of tax dollars, they can just tax the sheep some more when the debts come due. And looking at the congressional government revenue projections, Americans are looking at whopper sized tax increase to catch you up to Kanada. You are right, we have 9 provinces that are classified as have not provinces. Only one producer left. A have not province like Nova Scota and Halifax get a disproportionate amount of support from Ottawa. So there is zero incentive to fix imbalances and government waste. The biggest business in the east coast of Canada is unemployment insurance, EI... They even rig it you work the 10 weeks minimum to go right on EI. When government gets too big, and I mean any government, people suffer. It is a constant in history. Any time a government gets too much power and control, people suffer. Be it Roam, US, Germany Japan... Because when they get too big, they can start useless wars and move wealth from the peoples pocket to government. Rack the debt and at some point collapse just like Rome. US is now on the downhill ride as is Caanda. On a value basis, I believe China has already eclipsed the US as the worlds economic superpower. India is right behind China, in 10 years US might be lucky to be #3. All wasted because of big fat out of control government. And this is boating... there will be less boats as Americans can afford fewer of them. Short of a massive overhaul of governemnts in north america, I would say history is repeating itself. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. You do forget one important fact... at the time of Confederation, Nova Scotia was the wealthiest province in Canada. Quebec & Ontario were able to work new trade restrictions and tariffs to favour themselves while destroying our natural trading partners..... such as New England. By the time the Free Trade Agreement came along with promises to correct this imbalance, it was too late. All manufacturing had long gone (with a few exceptions) and we only had natural resources to sell.... somewhat like Alberta now. God help you when the oil runs out...you'll be back to the dust bowl days. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
"YukonBound" wrote in message
... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:59:56 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. In a time when the government is dropping LORAN because it is obsolete, I can see why they want to rid themselves of the lighthouses. My suggestion is to find some historic preservation groups who will take over these structures and maintain them in their original state.. If it is left to the people who's only interest is maintaining a nav aid, it will probably lose it's historic accuracy anyway. The tendency would be toward a steel tower with a solar powered light on top or a buoy, if they saw the light as necessary at all. Governments are going broke and people still are not willing to have their taxes raised. They have to make cuts somewhere. Cut "entitlements." It is not the federal governments jobs to fund your retirement nor is it their job to provide you with an unemployement check. Don't know about south of the border, but up here the clowns gave themselves a gold plated retirement plan. They just have to put in 6 years as an elected politician and they get a better pension than half the citizens of Canada do. The real problem with Canada is the country is full of Canadians. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
In article ,
says... "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:59:56 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. In a time when the government is dropping LORAN because it is obsolete, I can see why they want to rid themselves of the lighthouses. My suggestion is to find some historic preservation groups who will take over these structures and maintain them in their original state.. If it is left to the people who's only interest is maintaining a nav aid, it will probably lose it's historic accuracy anyway. The tendency would be toward a steel tower with a solar powered light on top or a buoy, if they saw the light as necessary at all. Governments are going broke and people still are not willing to have their taxes raised. They have to make cuts somewhere. Cut "entitlements." It is not the federal governments jobs to fund your retirement nor is it their job to provide you with an unemployement check. Don't know about south of the border, but up here the clowns gave themselves a gold plated retirement plan. They just have to put in 6 years as an elected politician and they get a better pension than half the citizens of Canada do. The real problem with Canada is the country is full of Canadians. You must be a spoofer. My fat buddy wouldn't say anything bad about the frozen tundra of a hell hole. He would, however, say bad things about anyplace where anybody lives that doesn't believe nor put up with his bull****. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. |
OT entitlements (was lighthouses)
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:56:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. We can look at Greece to get an idea about what can happen to "entitlements" when they are unrealistic. My Alexander Tyler quote still seems right "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government." Sorry, but I disagree with Tyler. Firstly, democracy by definition isn't a fixed object. It's an idea and it has endured in one form or another for several 1000 years. Ancient Greece is a great example. That particular culture failed, but not because of democracy. Our culture may fail, but not because of democracy. "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years" "During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. from bondage to spiritual faith; 2. from spiritual faith to great courage; 3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance; 5. from abundance to complacency; 6. from complacency to apathy; 7. from apathy to dependence; 8. from dependence back into bondage" We are at about #6 right now. BP would say we were closer to #8 Which entitlements don't you think are appropriate? I'm sure there are lots of example of things that make no sense, but there are many more that make perfect sense and are appropriate and necessary. BP isn't a democracy. It's a for-profit corporation. It (and similar) need to be regulated, since corporations don't give a fig about democracy or the public good. They're only concerned with the corporate good. Capitalism, in its purest form, is unworkable and must be tempered with social consciousness. |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On 11/06/2010 7:20 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:59:56 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 09/06/2010 4:26 PM, YukonBound wrote: Unbelievable. Time for Canadians to follow our 'merican cousins and toss the Conservatives out for something more progressive. Our current clowns are dumping all our lighthouses to save money, but can blow over $1 billion on hosting the G8 and the G20 summits. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...s-surplus.html In reality, they are not needed any more as WW II ended a long time ago. If you are a cruzing in these ares without a modern GPS and no maps, your nuts. You could also try to fly with feathers glued on and jump off a cliff. I am no lover of Canadian politicians, Harpo is in my riding and I don't vote for that liar fool and more than the Liberal/NDP tax-me more crowd of idiots. At least once and awhile Harpo does something, even so pityfully small as this, does it right. Cut some of the deadwood from bloated up you ass government. We..... Mr landlubber...did you see the CBC item where part of that $1 billion + also went to carve a fake lighthouse out of a tree stump... all on the eve of dumping all the country's lighthouses.......even the Sambro lighthouse off Halifax, which is the longest operating one in North America. Those Conservatives all all about 'fakes' and short on genuine. In a time when the government is dropping LORAN because it is obsolete, I can see why they want to rid themselves of the lighthouses. My suggestion is to find some historic preservation groups who will take over these structures and maintain them in their original state.. If it is left to the people who's only interest is maintaining a nav aid, it will probably lose it's historic accuracy anyway. The tendency would be toward a steel tower with a solar powered light on top or a buoy, if they saw the light as necessary at all. Governments are going broke and people still are not willing to have their taxes raised. They have to make cuts somewhere. Cut "entitlements." It is not the federal governments jobs to fund your retirement nor is it their job to provide you with an unemployement check. Don't know about south of the border, but up here the clowns gave themselves a gold plated retirement plan. They just have to put in 6 years as an elected politician and they get a better pension than half the citizens of Canada do. 1/2? Hell, the MPs have the best paln in Canada. I know of no better terms than they get. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. |
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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time? |
Time to trash the Conservatives
On 11/06/2010 7:30 PM, YukonBound wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time? That would either be a spoofer or de-fumer having a drug related dream. But getting close to early retirement or where to move next. -- Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:53:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:56:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. We can look at Greece to get an idea about what can happen to "entitlements" when they are unrealistic. My Alexander Tyler quote still seems right "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government." Sorry, but I disagree with Tyler. Firstly, democracy by definition isn't a fixed object. It's an idea and it has endured in one form or another for several 1000 years. Ancient Greece is a great example. That particular culture failed, but not because of democracy. Our culture may fail, but not because of democracy. Name the democracy that survived more than 200 years. You can't say the US because we are a representative republic that is only becoming democratic in the last 100 years. For most of our history only rich white men could vote. Women didn't have the vote until the 1920s and blacks didn't get the universal vote until the 60s. "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years" "During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. from bondage to spiritual faith; 2. from spiritual faith to great courage; 3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance; 5. from abundance to complacency; 6. from complacency to apathy; 7. from apathy to dependence; 8. from dependence back into bondage" We are at about #6 right now. BP would say we were closer to #8 Which entitlements don't you think are appropriate? I'm sure there are lots of example of things that make no sense, but there are many more that make perfect sense and are appropriate and necessary. BP isn't a democracy. It's a for-profit corporation. It (and similar) need to be regulated, since corporations don't give a fig about democracy or the public good. They're only concerned with the corporate good. Capitalism, in its purest form, is unworkable and must be tempered with social consciousness. The problem is not entitlements per se, it is unfunded entitlements and that includes SS and Medicare as of this year. We have done exactly what Tyler predicted. We voted benefits in excess of the taxes we are willing to pay. That is also what happened in Greece and most of western Europe. It is an unsustainable system. 40 cents of every dollar in my SS check is borrowed from my kids. You can't even prorate that by the amount taken in by the FICA tax since LBJ put SS in budget but even if you did, the check still includes some borrowed money since FICA does not cover the outlay. Well, if you're not willing to address even one of the major entitlements, then there's no way to fix it. I agree, we're over-extended, but some would lay that at the door of the current administration, when previous went wild with spending and deregulation, then said, oh by the way, we're about to have a financial meltdown, and tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The current admin. has been attempting to do that since it got in power, and it actually seems to be working. The next step will be to do something like paygo, but what we can't do is tighten spending. That would result in the same thing happening again. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. What are you ranting about. Your first sentence is not coherent and the rest is just a mindless rant. Who cares how it feels to you??? You're not a citizen. Go complain to the Canadian gov't. I doubt they'll listen to you either. |
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"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time? He's unemployable. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time? He's unemployable. And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so? |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:23:42 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Actually, stuff like SS was wel funded. But skimed by the government. And often invested in losers because of politics. If all the 30+ years a working types has SS (employer and employee) in their 401k they would retire early. The problem is the government has no vehicle to actually save money since we got off the gold standard. SS was always pay as you go and the trust fund was just a scam to collect more taxes for other things. mostly wars. Originally it was WWII (lend lease)when the trust fund was established (1939-40) and it was put on budget to hide the cost of the Vietnam war (1968-69). The concept of 401ks is flawed too looking forward because 83 million boomers pulling their money out of the stock market and spending it will crash the market. The real problem is you can't have a third of the adult population living off the work of the other two thirds without a revolt. The gov't doesn't need to "save" money as much as it needs to have money available. The gold standard was highly flawed and died an appropriate death. Boomers will not be pulling money out en masse. In fact, some of the boomer generation has already hit retirement age. It's a spread of about 15 years... something like that. Most with substantial 401K-like savings will likely pull it out in drips and drabs. Only someone foolish would pull it out at once, esp. given the tax consequences. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:00:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The problem is not entitlements per se, it is unfunded entitlements and that includes SS and Medicare as of this year. We have done exactly what Tyler predicted. We voted benefits in excess of the taxes we are willing to pay. That is also what happened in Greece and most of western Europe. It is an unsustainable system. 40 cents of every dollar in my SS check is borrowed from my kids. You can't even prorate that by the amount taken in by the FICA tax since LBJ put SS in budget but even if you did, the check still includes some borrowed money since FICA does not cover the outlay. Well, if you're not willing to address even one of the major entitlements, then there's no way to fix it. I agree, we're over-extended, but some would lay that at the door of the current administration, when previous went wild with spending and deregulation, then said, oh by the way, we're about to have a financial meltdown, and tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The current admin. has been attempting to do that since it got in power, and it actually seems to be working. The next step will be to do something like paygo, but what we can't do is tighten spending. That would result in the same thing happening again. I will lay that on every administration since Eisenhower. He was the last one who actually wanted the government to live within it's budget. Goldwater predicted this Social Security problem in 1964, when we might have actually been able to do something about it. .By 1970 the die was cast and anyone who actually looked at the demographics knew SS was going to go broke. The only arguments was when. In spite of that nobody was willing to propose the fixes that would actually save the system (later retirement ages, stopping the unrealistic growth in benefits and means testing the benefit). They nibble around the edges of this but they will not take the steps necessary to fix it. Greece is looking the same basic problem in the face, with a EU gun at their back and they will have to make the changes. Let's see how that works out. We are in no way comparable to the Greek economy. SS is solvent now and can be fixed. The sky isn't falling. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote: Cut "entitlements." Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-) I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act. Instead... Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move. Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote the 1/3 that does? To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also known as slavery. Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time? He's unemployable. And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so? It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a crazy man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than in a day-laborer capacity. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:23:42 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Actually, stuff like SS was wel funded. But skimed by the government. And often invested in losers because of politics. If all the 30+ years a working types has SS (employer and employee) in their 401k they would retire early. The problem is the government has no vehicle to actually save money since we got off the gold standard. SS was always pay as you go and the trust fund was just a scam to collect more taxes for other things. mostly wars. Originally it was WWII (lend lease)when the trust fund was established (1939-40) and it was put on budget to hide the cost of the Vietnam war (1968-69). The concept of 401ks is flawed too looking forward because 83 million boomers pulling their money out of the stock market and spending it will crash the market. The real problem is you can't have a third of the adult population living off the work of the other two thirds without a revolt. The gov't doesn't need to "save" money as much as it needs to have money available. The gold standard was highly flawed and died an appropriate death. Boomers will not be pulling money out en masse. In fact, some of the boomer generation has already hit retirement age. It's a spread of about 15 years... something like that. Most with substantial 401K-like savings will likely pull it out in drips and drabs. Only someone foolish would pull it out at once, esp. given the tax consequences. Obie's lickin his chops waiting to get at our 401k money. If we don't start spending it he'll find another way to grab it. Rest assured on that, little lady. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:00:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The problem is not entitlements per se, it is unfunded entitlements and that includes SS and Medicare as of this year. We have done exactly what Tyler predicted. We voted benefits in excess of the taxes we are willing to pay. That is also what happened in Greece and most of western Europe. It is an unsustainable system. 40 cents of every dollar in my SS check is borrowed from my kids. You can't even prorate that by the amount taken in by the FICA tax since LBJ put SS in budget but even if you did, the check still includes some borrowed money since FICA does not cover the outlay. Well, if you're not willing to address even one of the major entitlements, then there's no way to fix it. I agree, we're over-extended, but some would lay that at the door of the current administration, when previous went wild with spending and deregulation, then said, oh by the way, we're about to have a financial meltdown, and tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The current admin. has been attempting to do that since it got in power, and it actually seems to be working. The next step will be to do something like paygo, but what we can't do is tighten spending. That would result in the same thing happening again. I will lay that on every administration since Eisenhower. He was the last one who actually wanted the government to live within it's budget. Goldwater predicted this Social Security problem in 1964, when we might have actually been able to do something about it. .By 1970 the die was cast and anyone who actually looked at the demographics knew SS was going to go broke. The only arguments was when. In spite of that nobody was willing to propose the fixes that would actually save the system (later retirement ages, stopping the unrealistic growth in benefits and means testing the benefit). They nibble around the edges of this but they will not take the steps necessary to fix it. Greece is looking the same basic problem in the face, with a EU gun at their back and they will have to make the changes. Let's see how that works out. We are in no way comparable to the Greek economy. SS is solvent now and can be fixed. The sky isn't falling. You'll never see a SS check. Ill bet that frosts your ass. |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:53:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Which entitlements don't you think are appropriate? Every entitlement can be justified in some way and appear reasonable on the surface. That's part of the problem. Taken as a whole however they eventually become too expensive to be self sustaining. The real mistake is to assume that all issues can be corrected by some sort of government program. What ever happened to social responsibility and community action? |
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On 11/06/2010 9:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 11/06/2010 5:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:53:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:56:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. We can look at Greece to get an idea about what can happen to "entitlements" when they are unrealistic. My Alexander Tyler quote still seems right "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government." Sorry, but I disagree with Tyler. Firstly, democracy by definition isn't a fixed object. It's an idea and it has endured in one form or another for several 1000 years. Ancient Greece is a great example. That particular culture failed, but not because of democracy. Our culture may fail, but not because of democracy. Name the democracy that survived more than 200 years. You can't say the US because we are a representative republic that is only becoming democratic in the last 100 years. For most of our history only rich white men could vote. Women didn't have the vote until the 1920s and blacks didn't get the universal vote until the 60s. "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years" "During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. from bondage to spiritual faith; 2. from spiritual faith to great courage; 3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance; 5. from abundance to complacency; 6. from complacency to apathy; 7. from apathy to dependence; 8. from dependence back into bondage" We are at about #6 right now. BP would say we were closer to #8 Which entitlements don't you think are appropriate? I'm sure there are lots of example of things that make no sense, but there are many more that make perfect sense and are appropriate and necessary. BP isn't a democracy. It's a for-profit corporation. It (and similar) need to be regulated, since corporations don't give a fig about democracy or the public good. They're only concerned with the corporate good. Capitalism, in its purest form, is unworkable and must be tempered with social consciousness. The problem is not entitlements per se, it is unfunded entitlements and that includes SS and Medicare as of this year. We have done exactly what Tyler predicted. We voted benefits in excess of the taxes we are willing to pay. That is also what happened in Greece and most of western Europe. It is an unsustainable system. 40 cents of every dollar in my SS check is borrowed from my kids. You can't even prorate that by the amount taken in by the FICA tax since LBJ put SS in budget but even if you did, the check still includes some borrowed money since FICA does not cover the outlay. Actually, stuff like SS was wel funded. But skimed by the government. And often invested in losers because of politics. If all the 30+ years a working types has SS (employer and employee) in their 401k they would retire early. And SS is one of the very few things government does for everyone. So they hold it over your heads like a bat. What people should ask is for their corrupt politicians to spend less on pork and fund SS like it should have been in the first place. That is, less pork. -- Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS. Actually, I agree, but some people's pork is other people's needed benefits. Do you have a suggestion about which is pork and should be cut? I don't know what the clinical description would be, but people om the lamb getting their personal bailouts, and those debt worshipers seem to have a disease of sorts. They get quite entitled, rude and dysfunctional over time. The only way to get them off is like herion, cut them off. Pretty simple which pork to cut, if you didn't pay you don't get. -- Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom. |
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On 11/06/2010 10:48 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:23:42 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Actually, stuff like SS was wel funded. But skimed by the government. And often invested in losers because of politics. If all the 30+ years a working types has SS (employer and employee) in their 401k they would retire early. The problem is the government has no vehicle to actually save money since we got off the gold standard. SS was always pay as you go and the trust fund was just a scam to collect more taxes for other things. mostly wars. Originally it was WWII (lend lease)when the trust fund was established (1939-40) and it was put on budget to hide the cost of the Vietnam war (1968-69). The concept of 401ks is flawed too looking forward because 83 million boomers pulling their money out of the stock market and spending it will crash the market. The real problem is you can't have a third of the adult population living off the work of the other two thirds without a revolt. The gov't doesn't need to "save" money as much as it needs to have money available. The gold standard was highly flawed and died an appropriate death. Actually not. During gold standard the variance in the economy and currency worth amost never fluxuated like it does today. Pricing and inflation were well under control without big fat government intervention. They were also the most prosperious and wealth increasing years in US history when the gold standrard was in force. Boomers will not be pulling money out en masse. In fact, some of the boomer generation has already hit retirement age. It's a spread of about 15 years... something like that. Most with substantial 401K-like savings will likely pull it out in drips and drabs. Only someone foolish would pull it out at once, esp. given the tax consequences. Right, they lost a lot of it to ponzi governemnt currency and debt mismanagement and you trickle it out at the low tax rates. -- Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom. |
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OT entitlements (was lighthouses)
On 11/06/2010 9:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:53:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:56:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects their social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote against them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far, that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong movement to do so. We can look at Greece to get an idea about what can happen to "entitlements" when they are unrealistic. My Alexander Tyler quote still seems right "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government." Sorry, but I disagree with Tyler. Firstly, democracy by definition isn't a fixed object. It's an idea and it has endured in one form or another for several 1000 years. Ancient Greece is a great example. That particular culture failed, but not because of democracy. Our culture may fail, but not because of democracy. Name the democracy that survived more than 200 years. You can't say the US because we are a representative republic that is only becoming democratic in the last 100 years. For most of our history only rich white men could vote. Women didn't have the vote until the 1920s and blacks didn't get the universal vote until the 60s. "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years" "During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. from bondage to spiritual faith; 2. from spiritual faith to great courage; 3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance; 5. from abundance to complacency; 6. from complacency to apathy; 7. from apathy to dependence; 8. from dependence back into bondage" We are at about #6 right now. BP would say we were closer to #8 Which entitlements don't you think are appropriate? I'm sure there are lots of example of things that make no sense, but there are many more that make perfect sense and are appropriate and necessary. BP isn't a democracy. It's a for-profit corporation. It (and similar) need to be regulated, since corporations don't give a fig about democracy or the public good. They're only concerned with the corporate good. Capitalism, in its purest form, is unworkable and must be tempered with social consciousness. The problem is not entitlements per se, it is unfunded entitlements and that includes SS and Medicare as of this year. We have done exactly what Tyler predicted. We voted benefits in excess of the taxes we are willing to pay. That is also what happened in Greece and most of western Europe. It is an unsustainable system. 40 cents of every dollar in my SS check is borrowed from my kids. You can't even prorate that by the amount taken in by the FICA tax since LBJ put SS in budget but even if you did, the check still includes some borrowed money since FICA does not cover the outlay. Well, if you're not willing to address even one of the major entitlements, then there's no way to fix it. I agree, we're over-extended, but some would lay that at the door of the current administration, when previous went wild with spending and deregulation, then said, oh by the way, we're about to have a financial meltdown, and tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The current admin. has been attempting to do that since it got in power, and it actually seems to be working. The next step will be to do something like paygo, but what we can't do is tighten spending. That would result in the same thing happening again. And Obama is still making the same mistakes as the predicessors except he is doing it faster and larger than anyone else. Record debt accumulation, spending and corruption gone mad. Going to really screw with standard of living in due time. Sending USA down the economic sewer. You should watch a program called "Til Debt Do Us Part". Governemnt is behaving the same way as a delinquent debtor the day before the repo man shows up. Total denialism of reality. -- Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom. |
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