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Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a
class act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it
affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in
their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then,
it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should
vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them.
So
far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any
strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to
move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax
paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a
crazy
man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than
in a
day-laborer capacity.

Jeez, said the unemployable envious slug....


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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You're the one who's always ranting about the sky fall numnuts.
How would you like it if we started talking about your privates. Try
to show
a modicom of decency around here, Emanuela.

Don't worry, if de-fumer came after my nuts, I would run like hell.
She-it must be a real ball breaker.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You have nuts?? Oh, you're talking what passes for balls. Nope. You
don't have any of those.
(Um!),Now you are taking inventory of some poor guy's junk. How low can
you go, you stalking piece of ****e?


So, you're claiming he has balls? How would you know? Did you check?


You're sick!


I'd rather be sick that stupid.


You don't have a choice. Lucky you. You are both.

"sick that stupid" ? We must have really rattled your cage.

Time to trash the Conservatives
 

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On 11/06/2010 9:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class
act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So
far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote
the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars,
liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker.
Also
known as slavery.

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Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

What are you ranting about. Your first sentence is not coherent and
the
rest is just a mindless rant.

Who cares how it feels to you??? You're not a citizen. Go complain
to
the Canadian gov't. I doubt they'll listen to you either.

You had better care, who is going to pay for your welfare check?

It will not be me for much longer. Me, I plan on retiring early and
most of my assets are tax paid, so

You are right about Canada, they are much further down the road than
the US is. You will figure it out in 10 years. In Canada many move
out of Canada on retirement. I might yet do so.

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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You?? YOU???? hahaha... you can barely pay for your beer money.
So you know that to be a fact? How?

Osmosis.


Nice try, moron.

I guess you aren't familiar with that term either. I don't see why, you
have nothing on plants.


Again you show your ignorance. Enough already.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:00:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we going to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

Some might very well argue that we are already in the early stages of
a global war against religious extremists. Unfortunately I don't see
that situation getting better any time soon. How long did the
crusades last in the middle ages, and how/why did they end?

OT entitlements (was lighthouses)
 

On 13/06/2010 10:33 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:01:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:00:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we going to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

Some might very well argue that we are already in the early stages of
a global war against religious extremists. Unfortunately I don't see
that situation getting better any time soon. How long did the
crusades last in the middle ages, and how/why did they end?

Some could argue we are still watching the crusades.

The classic crusades ended because Europe had their ass handed to them
about 5 times in a row.
I suspect we will lose this one too but I said that in 1991. We really
should have taken the advice of those who said we should have put that
early victory in our pocket and gone home. I knew we wouldn't.

That is the same thing that happened to the first crusaders. One win
and then a string of "ties" and humiliating losses after that, until
they finally just stopped.

Agreed. We don't have what it takes to win this one. We need to be
angry enough to be ruthless... such as our opponents. Without the desire
to really win it, we shouldn't even be there.

It is why I support bringing the troups home. No sense in wasting their
blood for people wanting to live in the dark age barberism.

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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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The real question still comes down to what the world will pay for our
paper. Most of our debt is in short term notes. All it will take to
bury us is for that interest rate we need to make our paper attractive
go up to 7 or 8%
The only reason they like the dollar is the rest of the western
economies are in worse trouble than we are.

Well, the world isn't having much of a problem so far. With all the
trouble
in Europe, the money seems to be invested in the US even more lately, as
you
said... they are in worse shape. China isn't going to do much, given they
would lose lots and be much worse off if they decided to pull out of their
investment in a precipitous fashion.


China is still propping us up but that could change. To say there are
no problems in Europe is just naive. Greece still has not agreed to
the reforms necessary to get their house in order and the population
is rioting in the street over it. They are telling people they will
actually have to pay the taxes necessary to support their expenditures
and pensioners are going to get a pay cut along with all of the
government workers.
We will have riots here when we get there too.

Umm... who said Europe doesn't have problems? Again, there is no melt-down
crisis looming. It's just not the case. Most societies adjust to financial
changes. The riots will not be televised... lol




Not really... there are always foolish people, but there are lots of
people
already in debt who don't pull out their money. As I said, the tax
consequences alone usually give people pause. Many boomers are in debt
in
one form or another... mortgages are a good example. Most people think
of
their home as an asset, but if you owe money, it's really a
liability...
certainly one kind of liability that's easy to live with, even in
retirement.


The tax consequences disappear at 59.5 years old. If you are carrying
a big balance on a 29.99% credit card, that 10-15% you will have to
give Sam starts looking very attractive.


Completely untrue. If you liquidate a regular IRA, you have to pay taxes
on
whatever you receive over some base amount. There are certainly going to
be
people with a 30% rate, but the vast majority won't be in that
situation.
And, as I said, it's not going to happen all at once. Where are the ones
who
have that rate now? I don't see any run on the banks happening.

You don't need all the boomers to liquidate all of their 401k/IRA
holding to seriously impact the markets, you just need the hint that
they will and some movement in that direction. The rumor of a run on
one stock caused the Dow to lose 1000 points in about 15 minutes.


There is no such hint. That particular drop still hasn't been fully
explained, and banks have failed in greater numbers in previous years. No
run on banks happened then either.

Keep whistling through that grave yard.


No whistling required. Show me the "hint" besides empty statements...

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:00:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we going to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

Some might very well argue that we are already in the early stages of
a global war against religious extremists. Unfortunately I don't see
that situation getting better any time soon. How long did the
crusades last in the middle ages, and how/why did they end?

They don't have the capacity to do much damage, not even with a nuclear
device. We (and Obama is trying to do this) need to change how we look at
who we're fighting. There have always been religious extremist and always
will be.

The Crusades? Where Christians hacked people up with sharpened crosses?

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:01:38 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:00:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we going
to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

Some might very well argue that we are already in the early stages of
a global war against religious extremists. Unfortunately I don't see
that situation getting better any time soon. How long did the
crusades last in the middle ages, and how/why did they end?

Some could argue we are still watching the crusades.

The classic crusades ended because Europe had their ass handed to them
about 5 times in a row.
I suspect we will lose this one too but I said that in 1991. We really
should have taken the advice of those who said we should have put that
early victory in our pocket and gone home. I knew we wouldn't.

That is the same thing that happened to the first crusaders. One win
and then a string of "ties" and humiliating losses after that, until
they finally just stopped.

Talk about whistling... this is just paranoid thinking. You act like there's
an evil empire out there just waiting to attack. Sheesh.

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On 13/06/2010 10:33 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:01:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:00:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we going
to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

Some might very well argue that we are already in the early stages of
a global war against religious extremists. Unfortunately I don't see
that situation getting better any time soon. How long did the
crusades last in the middle ages, and how/why did they end?

Some could argue we are still watching the crusades.

The classic crusades ended because Europe had their ass handed to them
about 5 times in a row.
I suspect we will lose this one too but I said that in 1991. We really
should have taken the advice of those who said we should have put that
early victory in our pocket and gone home. I knew we wouldn't.

That is the same thing that happened to the first crusaders. One win
and then a string of "ties" and humiliating losses after that, until
they finally just stopped.

Agreed. We don't have what it takes to win this one. We need to be angry
enough to be ruthless... such as our opponents. Without the desire to
really win it, we shouldn't even be there.

It is why I support bringing the troups home. No sense in wasting their
blood for people wanting to live in the dark age barberism.

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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

No. YOU don't have what it takes. Moron. It's troops not troups. You're one
dummy.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:30:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Tyler again. As long as people get to vote for the taxes they pay they
will always vote themselves a "generous benefit"

So, I ask again, what's your solution? Take away their ability to vote??


There isn't any real solution. That is the problem.
We are like alcoholics. There is not going to be a fix until we hit
absolute rock bottom and come away with a whole new way to live.
We keep "fixing" our economy by borrowing more money and promising if
we get away with it this time, we will never do it again. We still
never pay the debt back.
I really think this recession/depression thing will end the same way
the last one did, in a global war.
Our biggest problem is there are not enough people alive today who
remember that things don't really have to go well and things do not
always come out OK in the end.

One solution might be to use nudge psychology....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...conservatives1

Again, there's no expectation of "global" war. Who exactly are we going to
fight that's capable of any kind of sustained major campaign??

I totally disagree with your last thought. Things pretty much have always
"come out OK in the end." I can't think of a huge problem that didn't
eventually find some resolution... Fascism, racism (well, it's a work in
process), communism (even China isn't really an economic communistic
state,
so that leave N. Korea?)...


In the short term you are right but if you look at just the bad things
that happened in the 20th century. The depression resulted in WWII and
tens of millions of people died. I suppose that "worked out OK".
Unfortunately that will be nothing compared to a nuclear war. Who will
get it started? Most likely it will involve Israel and one of the
Islamic countries but, just like WWI, it could quickly escalate to the
world powers.

Perhaps worse might actually be an economic war where all of this
phony paper we call money collapses and people start fighting for
resources because they can't buy them anymore. In that war the Chinese
win because they can just sit back and watch. Their people will suffer
for a few years but they have the industrial capacity the US had in
1945 so they will be staged to take over the world.

The depression didn't result in WW2. Come on. The depression (at least in
Germany) resulted from them being punished excessively for WWI.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.... NOT

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400,
wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a
class act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it
affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in
their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then,
it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should
vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding
them. So
far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any
strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to
move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when
the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax
paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like
a crazy
man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than
in a
day-laborer capacity.

Jeez, said the unemployable envious slug....


--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You're the one who's always ranting about the sky fall numnuts.
How would you like it if we started talking about your privates.
Try to show
a modicom of decency around here, Emanuela.

Don't worry, if de-fumer came after my nuts, I would run like hell.
She-it must be a real ball breaker.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You have nuts?? Oh, you're talking what passes for balls. Nope. You
don't have any of those.
(Um!),Now you are taking inventory of some poor guy's junk. How low
can you go, you stalking piece of ****e?


So, you're claiming he has balls? How would you know? Did you check?


You're sick!


I'd rather be sick that stupid.


You don't have a choice. Lucky you. You are both.

"sick that stupid" ? We must have really rattled your cage.


You're used to cages. When did they let you out?