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On 11/06/2010 11:53 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:49:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I will lay that on every administration since Eisenhower. He was
the
last one who actually wanted the government to live within it's
budget. Goldwater predicted this Social Security problem in 1964,
when
we might have actually been able to do something about it. .By 1970
the die was cast and anyone who actually looked at the demographics
knew SS was going to go broke. The only arguments was when. In
spite
of that nobody was willing to propose the fixes that would actually
save the system (later retirement ages, stopping the unrealistic
growth in benefits and means testing the benefit). They nibble
around
the edges of this but they will not take the steps necessary to fix
it.
Greece is looking the same basic problem in the face, with a EU gun
at
their back and they will have to make the changes. Let's see how
that
works out.

We are in no way comparable to the Greek economy. SS is solvent now
and can
be fixed. The sky isn't falling.



The sky isn't falling yet but SS is clearly living beyond it's means.
We are borrowing money to make up the difference. The same is true of
Medicare.

But collapse is inevitable at this point. Politicians don't have the
balls to do what is needed. It is almost assured to be some kind of
collapse.

People have yet to ask why everyone is taking cutbacks but the
government is fater, lardier, and more elitest at every turn.

Certainly not sustainable, but I now submit economic collapse to new
lows is a mater of time, and not if.

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No. You're just a frightened little boy. Go hide under the bed. We'll
tell you when to come out.

I see that we've brought yoy down to our level.


I like to remain above ground. You're the groundhog.


Tell us about the exciting weekend you have planned for yourself. Another
weekend with the boys of rec.boats and your cat? How exciting. It must
really suck to be you.


Why do you care? I know you're a stalker/idiot/racist, but keeping tabs on
someone who is basically anonymous seems a bit psychotic.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:11:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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The sky isn't falling yet but SS is clearly living beyond it's means.
We are borrowing money to make up the difference. The same is true of
Medicare.

Lots of things are in that category. As I said, it's fixable, both are.

Sure, about a 5% raise in taxes, across the board, would kick the can
down the road a decade or so. Try to get it.

Well, for starters we could just let Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy
expire. That would raise taxes back to the Clinton era. A nice start.

I'm happy to pay a bit more in taxes to fix problems. Most people are
willing to pay for services if they're given a choice. Well, except for the
something-for-nothing crowd.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class
act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So
far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a
crazy
man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than in a
day-laborer capacity.

Jeez, said the unemployable envious slug....


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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You're the one who's always ranting about the sky fall numnuts.
How would you like it if we started talking about your privates. Try to
show
a modicom of decency around here, Emanuela.

Don't worry, if de-fumer came after my nuts, I would run like hell. She-it
must be a real ball breaker.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You have nuts?? Oh, you're talking what passes for balls. Nope. You don't
have any of those.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class
act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it
affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then,
it's don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them.
So far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a
crazy
man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than in a
day-laborer capacity.

Jeez, said the unemployable envious slug....


--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You're the one who's always ranting about the sky fall numnuts.
How would you like it if we started talking about your privates. Try
to show a modicom of decency around here, Emanuela.


Like that hasn't happened already? You're an idiot/liar.

Em.. just Em dummy.

BM Dummy, that is your name? Wow, didn't know what made you so warped.
Did your parents hate you?

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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

Even though you have lots of experience with people hating you, I don't
think your parents did.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:23:42 -0600, Canuck57
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Actually, stuff like SS was wel funded. But skimed by the
government.
And often invested in losers because of politics. If all the 30+
years
a working types has SS (employer and employee) in their 401k they
would
retire early.

The problem is the government has no vehicle to actually save
money
since we got off the gold standard. SS was always pay as you go
and
the trust fund was just a scam to collect more taxes for other
things.
mostly wars. Originally it was WWII (lend lease)when the trust
fund
was established (1939-40) and it was put on budget to hide the
cost of
the Vietnam war (1968-69).

The concept of 401ks is flawed too looking forward because 83
million
boomers pulling their money out of the stock market and spending
it
will crash the market.

The real problem is you can't have a third of the adult population
living off the work of the other two thirds without a revolt.

The gov't doesn't need to "save" money as much as it needs to have
money available. The gold standard was highly flawed and died an
appropriate death.

Boomers will not be pulling money out en masse. In fact, some of
the boomer generation has already hit retirement age. It's a spread
of about 15 years... something like that. Most with substantial
401K-like savings will likely pull it out in drips and drabs. Only
someone foolish would pull it out at once, esp. given the tax
consequences.


Obie's lickin his chops waiting to get at our 401k money. If we
don't start spending it he'll find another way to grab it. Rest
assured on that, little lady.


You're stupid. Bush was the one who wanted to privatize social
security. Thank GOD that didn't go through. He's the one who went on
a spending and tax give-away for 7 years.


You sound like Obie. Blame everything on the "previous
administration". Obie doesn't have the balls to say W's name.
Got any job prospects Emily?


Yeah, Bush was so wonderful... just about ruined the economy, the
environment, a war for no reason. What a great guy!

The name is Em, not Emily.

No. No job prospects. I own my own company. How about your job
prospects? Sorry, we're not hiring.


Who's we. You and your cat?
I doubt if you two are much competition for the Salvation Army or the
Red Cross in the used clothing marketplace.
BTW: Decent people donate their used clothing to charity.

Where do you get your merchandise? I hope you don't dumpster dive for
it.

Sounds like you're trying to beat her down on her prices.
Just tell her what you need and I'm sure she'll do something for you.

He couldn't afford what I sell. I sell high-end used clothing.
Occasionally we get a throw-away.. damage that wasn't noticed. I'd be
happy to send those to him... they are, after all, mostly clothes for
women.


Well, that would suit him just fine. Better than the Salvation Army stuff
he usually scavanges.

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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a
crazy man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than
in a day-laborer capacity.


How do you know that? Did Harry tell you that, too?

Time to trash the Conservatives
 

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On 11/06/2010 9:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote
the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars,
liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also
known as slavery.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

What are you ranting about. Your first sentence is not coherent and the
rest is just a mindless rant.

Who cares how it feels to you??? You're not a citizen. Go complain to
the Canadian gov't. I doubt they'll listen to you either.

You had better care, who is going to pay for your welfare check?

It will not be me for much longer. Me, I plan on retiring early and
most of my assets are tax paid, so

You are right about Canada, they are much further down the road than
the US is. You will figure it out in 10 years. In Canada many move
out of Canada on retirement. I might yet do so.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You?? YOU???? hahaha... you can barely pay for your beer money.
So you know that to be a fact? How?

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On 11/06/2010 10:50 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class
act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it
affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So
far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a
crazy
man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than in a
day-laborer capacity.

Jeez, said the unemployable envious slug....


--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You're the one who's always ranting about the sky fall numnuts.
How would you like it if we started talking about your privates. Try to
show
a modicom of decency around here, Emanuela.

Don't worry, if de-fumer came after my nuts, I would run like hell.
She-it must be a real ball breaker.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You have nuts?? Oh, you're talking what passes for balls. Nope. You don't
have any of those.
(Um!),Now you are taking inventory of some poor guy's junk. How low can you
go, you stalking piece of ****e?

Time to trash the Conservatives
 

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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class
act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it
affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's
don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So
far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to
move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can
outvote the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the
begars, liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax
paying
worker. Also known as slavery.


Uh...did you say you weren't working at this time?

He's unemployable.


And you know that to be a fact because...Harry said so?

It's so obvious... he can't really speak English. He rants like a
crazy
man. Actually, he might be employed, but I doubt it's more than in a
day-laborer capacity.

Jeez, said the unemployable envious slug....


--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You're the one who's always ranting about the sky fall numnuts.
How would you like it if we started talking about your privates. Try to
show
a modicom of decency around here, Emanuela.

Don't worry, if de-fumer came after my nuts, I would run like hell.
She-it must be a real ball breaker.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You have nuts?? Oh, you're talking what passes for balls. Nope. You don't
have any of those.
(Um!),Now you are taking inventory of some poor guy's junk. How low can
you go, you stalking piece of ****e?


So, you're claiming he has balls? How would you know? Did you check?

Time to trash the Conservatives
 

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On 11/06/2010 9:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 11/06/2010 11:56 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

Cut "entitlements."

Helen Thomas wouldn't even have the nerve to say that. ;-)

I feel sorry for her. She could have left the scene as a class act.
Instead...

Funny how everyone slams "entitlements" right up until it affects
their
social security, medicare, police/fire/infrastructure in their
neighborhood, EMT availability, library access, etc. Then, it's don't
touch. If people don't want entitlements, then they should vote
against
them and vote out any politician that promotes funding them. So far,
that hasn't happened, and there doesn't appear to be any strong
movement
to do so.

Actually, what the produicers shoudl do, and many are is to move.

Why live in a country where the 2/3rds not paying for it can outvote
the 1/3 that does?

To me, it feels like taxation without representation when the begars,
liberal losers and pocket pickers out vote the tax paying worker. Also
known as slavery.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

What are you ranting about. Your first sentence is not coherent and the
rest is just a mindless rant.

Who cares how it feels to you??? You're not a citizen. Go complain to
the Canadian gov't. I doubt they'll listen to you either.

You had better care, who is going to pay for your welfare check?

It will not be me for much longer. Me, I plan on retiring early and most
of my assets are tax paid, so

You are right about Canada, they are much further down the road than the
US is. You will figure it out in 10 years. In Canada many move out of
Canada on retirement. I might yet do so.

--
Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

You?? YOU???? hahaha... you can barely pay for your beer money.
So you know that to be a fact? How?

Osmosis.