wrote:

Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power
to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the
field, something I found out when I built this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg
Hence the little Gel Cell.

Now back in the olden days when motor cycles had generators they did
build choppers with no battery, usually based on Triumphs, that only
had a tomato paste can sized capacitor stuffed in there somewhere to
hold enough power to get it going.

Looks like a pressure washer turned into a generator?

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any case, he
didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so brilliant,
but obviously idiot is apropos.

Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing
very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you
call them idiots.

Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you.

I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment.

Go away and reconsider.

You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined
with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has
enough to go around.

On Apr 28, 8:00*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:54:07 -0400, Larry
wrote:

wrote:

Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power
to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the
field, something I found out when I built this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg
Hence the little Gel Cell.

Now back in the olden days when motor cycles had generators they did
build choppers with no battery, usually based on Triumphs, that only
had a tomato paste can sized capacitor stuffed in there somewhere to
hold enough power to get it going.

Looks like a pressure washer turned into a generator?

Yup, the Honda engine far outlasted the Cat pump. It is still a "first
pull" engine. Howie is right, that is something GM can't compete with.

Both my sailboats original Yanmar 1GM 6.5 hp diesel and its 13 hp 2
cylinder 2GM replacement have a crank that fits on the crankshaft that
supposedly allows hand cranking. I have tried to do so by relieving
the compression but she stops dead when the compression starts. It is
possible that the cranki ng position is too awkward to get good
leverage because it seems it ought to work.
I do know that old Lister diesels could be started by turning the
flywheel by hand, no battery required at all nor alternator. These
diesels are still available as stationary engines for generators and
will run on nearly any oil including cooking oil and even turpentine.
I have heard of people getting used engine oil and running the Listers
on it. Many old commercial fishing boats used Lister diesels and had
no batteries.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:38:39 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking.

All the above.

Bill answered your question correctly.

You didn't understand what he said.

Straighten up and fly right or go away.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:26:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic...

I think you've made that perfectly clear. Now you need to develop
some listening skills.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any case,
he
didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so
brilliant,
but obviously idiot is apropos.

Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing
very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you
call them idiots.

Poor you. Sorry Wayne, but I'm allowed to ask questions. If you don't like
that, you can go suck an egg. Or, you can ignore me. Frankly, your attitude
is bizarre. I asked a legitimate and intelligent question, and you and a
couple of other people answered it. Even Topper mostly answered it.

Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you.

I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment.

Not my problem. Sounds like yours.

Go away and reconsider.

You go away. I'm here. Too bad if you don't like it.

You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined
with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has
enough to go around.

Poor baby.

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Apr 28, 1:39 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

...
On Apr 28, 1:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



"Bill McKee" wrote in message

om...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is
running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep
running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to
start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So,
in
the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and
shorted
out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if
the
battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has
electronic
controls.

I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently
that you're an idiot?

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred?

No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked.

Bill told you exactly the same thing as jps, he just used less words
to express the same thoughts. You reacted differently. There's your
"hatred".

Oh, and you never asked any questions in your post, you simply made
some statements of your understanding after having read a wiki. A
question would be something like... Am I correct? Do they work like
this? There isn't a single question mark in your post, or even a
sentence formed as a question.

Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking.

Reply: He didn't. He didn't answer the second part. If you're unable to
figure out there was an implied question and he did and attempted to answer
it, your statement is what's lacking in brain power.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote:

"Bill wrote in message

m...








wrote in message
...

I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is
running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep
running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to
start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So,
in
the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and
shorted
out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if
the
battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it.


--
Nom=de=Plume


In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has
electronic
controls.

I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently
that you're an idiot?

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred?

She lives for confrontation.

And, you're brain dead!

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:13:54 -0400, wrote:

Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power
to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the
field, something I found out when I built this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg
Hence the little Gel Cell.

It turns out that almost all alternators have a little residual
magnetism and if you just spin them fast enough they will start
generating.

If not you get double your money back. :-)

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:36:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:28:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:08:15 -0700, jps wrote:

Yeah, glow plugs... I read somewhere that you can heat them with a blow
torch, but I think I'll stick with the "modern" engine versions.

I'm sure that's true -- in the right environment and as a measure of
last resort. Sort of like that trick where they use WD40 and a match
to remount tires on rims.

Heh.

Yes, check back later to see if you still have any eye brows or skin
on your nose.

I think it is supposed to be starter fluid

http://gfretwell.com/humor/Howtoinflateatire.wmv

Lots prefer WD40 for its properties of accellerant and lubricant.

Sounds dirty.