On Apr 23, 3:18*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:40*pm, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 23, 8:55*am, Tim wrote:

I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?

It's snake oil! There are thousands of tests out there that will show
that regular 2 stroke oil and Amsoil is the same when it comes to
engine wear and tear. Your engine isn't 100:1 ratio by the way.

Well, 50:1 is the accepted norm, and I know the lubrication qualities
of modern 2 cycle oils are good, and *both petroleum and synthetic
oils are probably compatable in that aspect, but what I was looking
for in the synthetic is less smoke, ash build up and goo on cold spark
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Tim, I've been around the '70's era Johnson/Evinrudes forever, dude.
Both crossflow and loopers. Don't try to lube these things using tips,
tricks, and snake oil! Fitty to One, brother!! You'll thank me later!

On Apr 23, 8:55*am, Tim wrote:
I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?

I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30
weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive,

THAT....was the stupidest idea to ever come along. All it did was jam
rings, and leave unburnt deposits in the engine. I've torn down scads
of engines that suffered compression loss because of it. Tried to tell
the owner that 30 Wt and gas is a no-no....but couldn't get him to
listen. " That's what the guy who sold it to me SAID to use "
Tried to tell him to use synthetic, or at least 2 stroke
oil....wouldn't hear of it. Eventually ALL the engines died....except
for the one I secretly mixed with 2 stroke.

On Apr 23, 8:55*am, Tim wrote:
I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Forgot to mention I used to have a Arctic Cat free-air 440 Snowsled .
I used to mix it 100 to 1, no problem. Also used to have some old
Bombardier Ski-Doos....30 to 40 to 1 on those old babies.

I think you could get away with putting it in a 4 cycle engine in a
boat, to give extra lubrication to the rings if need be. Just for 1
tank.......

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:45:52 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:


On 23-Apr-2010, Tim wrote:

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Oh, yes. Amzoil is MAGIC! It is SO different from any other oil. If you just
carry a quart with you, you will never have to pour it in the tank. It will
last forever. It has everlasting life.

I've read about Amsoil on a few of the auto boards that interest me.
From my recollection, the synthetic they have has a high flash point
and good lubrication characteristics and is indeed a decent synthetic,
but most who use full synthetic use Mobil 1.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 23, 11:20 am, "mmc" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Yes. If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. Seems like an easy choice to me.

I agree.
IIRC the VRO systems (90s) varied the mix from 25- 100:1. Maybe it was
50-100:1. I use 50:1 in both of mine and they do get gummy if I do a lot
of
trolling but it's worth the assurance that my mix isn't going to cause
harm.

Fortunately, this isnt' a VRO engine and if it was I'd disconnect that
really quick. I've had friends that have found out that it wasn't
trustworthy.neither was the alarm.
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I had a Johnson 40 that was VRO and when the VRO pump broke I just mixed the
fuel myself. Can't remember if I had to plug anything. I didn't and don't
like those things. Couldn't run the fuel out of the motor.
I was just using that as an example of oil to fuel ratios.
Hope you get 'er out on the water soon Tim.

Tim wrote:
On Apr 23, 11:00 am, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.


Anyone have any thoughts?

Yes. If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. Seems like an easy choice to me.

Yep. I think that 100:1 is a bit extreme unless you're gambling with a
$79.00 weed eater. I'm trying to figure out the 'just right' mixture.

I can't believe "Nom" hasn't jumped in here with "her" expertise...

Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:04 pm, wrote:

On Apr 23, 11:00 am, wrote:


On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.


Anyone have any thoughts?


Yes. If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. Seems like an easy choice to me.

Yep. I think that 100:1 is a bit extreme unless you're gambling with a
$79.00 weed eater. I'm trying to figure out the 'just right' mixture.

50:1

I mix 40:1 for every 2-stroke tool I own. The 50:1's won't complain.