I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

Thanks W.

Yeah, cost isn't really any object on this. and that sounds good to
me. OK, I guess i sshould have asked another question as well. will
this engine be harmed by running the 89.5 octane (10% Ethanol) blend?
or would you suggest running straight gasoline?(Usually 87 octane)


E-85 is out of the question.




Clams Canino wrote:
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

Synthetic is a total waste of money for an oil that you are going to use
once and then burn.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

Totally agreed. But it IS greener overall.
The BLEND at Wal-Mart is cheaper than most branded non-synthetic oils.

-W

"James" wrote in message
link.net...
Synthetic is a total waste of money for an oil that you are going to use
once and then burn.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better
than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

I run the mid-grade myself. So it's only a 5% blend.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thanks W.

Yeah, cost isn't really any object on this. and that sounds good to
me. OK, I guess i sshould have asked another question as well. will
this engine be harmed by running the 89.5 octane (10% Ethanol) blend?
or would you suggest running straight gasoline?(Usually 87 octane)


E-85 is out of the question.




Clams Canino wrote:
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better
than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

On 3 Apr 2007 14:19:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

Thoughts on oils and brands?

I agree with Clams on this - for that engine, I would use Wal Mart's
TCW3 clone 2-cycle oil - more than good enough. Semi and full
synthetics will work too, but the engine wasn't designed for those
oils.

The only caveat I would offer would be to make the blend a little
richer - like 40:1 instead of 50:1 and maybe go with a little hotter
plug. It will smoke a little more, but at that age and without a
rebuild, the extra lube can't hurt.

On Apr 3, 5:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 3 Apr 2007 14:19:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

Thoughts on oils and brands?

I agree with Clams on this - for that engine, I would use Wal Mart's
TCW3 clone 2-cycle oil - more than good enough. Semi and full
synthetics will work too, but the engine wasn't designed for those
oils.

The only caveat I would offer would be to make the blend a little
richer - like 40:1 instead of 50:1 and maybe go with a little hotter
plug. It will smoke a little more, but at that age and without a
rebuild, the extra lube can't hurt.

That's just it, Tom. this engine is practically new even though it's a
mid 70's unit, the "engine" is about 10 years old, with almost no time
on it. It was origionally on a Glastron 174, and used wide open a lot
and got a work out every season, then, from what I understand it just
got to be about powerless. so in 1994, to the doctor it went, and had
an Evinrude factory "reman" power head installed. so the only thing
origional on this unit is the lower leg, and some hang on stuff. It
was used for a season on lake and river water in '96, then parked
because somebody barely made it back to shore because the hull had a
big chunk out of it, from side swiping a bridge piling. it went on the
trailer and sat in the guys back yard for a few years, then they
wanted it gone, and pulled the engine and trashed the boat, hun the
engine in a garage, until this year. The owner died, and the kids are
wanting to clean up and sell the property. They have no interest in
the engine, and I'm getting it "cheap" , like .... about a hundred
bucks "cheap".

I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Wouldn't a hotter plug be dangerous to the pistons?

Clams Canino wrote:
Totally agreed. But it IS greener overall.
The BLEND at Wal-Mart is cheaper than most branded non-synthetic oils.

-W


AND it's fairly cheap insurance - don't skimp on the oil!

Rob


"James" wrote in message
link.net...
Synthetic is a total waste of money for an oil that you are going to use
once and then burn.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better
than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

On 3 Apr 2007 16:22:46 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Wouldn't a hotter plug be dangerous to the pistons?

Ah well - just goes to show you that I didnt read everything I should
have.

Was it stored properly? Winterized?

The first thing I would do in this circumstance is get some light
machine oil, remove the plugs and squirt the oil into the cylinders.
Rotate the engine by hand fora while to get some lubrication into the
rings and onto the cylinder walls. You might want to do a compression
check too just to make sure everything is seated properly once that is
done. Pulling the crank case might also be a good idea just to get
some lube onto the crank shaft, bearings and connecting rod - stuff
like that.

The seals could be a problem - probably worth your while to change
them if you have the time. Definetly the impeller in the lower unit.
And as long as you have it off, lube up the shift and drive shafts.

I might be suspicious of the carbs if they've been sitting for a long
time, although that may not be a problem. I know on older tractors
that I've restored I've always done the carbs just because even if the
tractor was running when I bought it.

Still a pretty good deal as is.

As to the hotter plug, I only mention that because of the extra oil.
If the engine is relatively newish, then don't use the extra oil -
50:1 is fine. And by hotter plug, I wasn't talking a really hot plug,
but just a tad higher than what is in there.