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Tim April 23rd 10 01:55 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?

hk April 23rd 10 01:59 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On 4/23/10 8:55 AM, Tim wrote:
I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?



Yeah...use a half a pint of the old-fashioned oil to a gallon of gas,
just like we used to do. It worked just fine, smelled great, and left a
trail of smoke you could follow to get home.




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Wayne.B April 23rd 10 05:00 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?


Yes. If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. Seems like an easy choice to me.

Tim April 23rd 10 05:04 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On Apr 23, 11:00*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.


Anyone have any thoughts?


Yes. *If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. * Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. *Seems like an easy choice to me.


Yep. I think that 100:1 is a bit extreme unless you're gambling with a
$79.00 weed eater. I'm trying to figure out the 'just right' mixture.

mmc April 23rd 10 05:20 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?


Yes. If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. Seems like an easy choice to me.


I agree.
IIRC the VRO systems (90s) varied the mix from 25- 100:1. Maybe it was
50-100:1. I use 50:1 in both of mine and they do get gummy if I do a lot of
trolling but it's worth the assurance that my mix isn't going to cause harm.



Tim April 23rd 10 05:32 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On Apr 23, 11:20*am, "mmc" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.


Anyone have any thoughts?


Yes. *If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. * Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. *Seems like an easy choice to me.


I agree.
IIRC the VRO systems (90s) varied the mix from 25- 100:1. Maybe it was
50-100:1. I use 50:1 in both of mine and they do get gummy if I do a lot of
trolling but it's worth the assurance that my mix isn't going to cause harm.


Fortunately, this isnt' a VRO engine and if it was I'd disconnect that
really quick. I've had friends that have found out that it wasn't
trustworthy.neither was the alarm.

Loogypicker[_2_] April 23rd 10 06:40 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On Apr 23, 8:55*am, Tim wrote:
I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?


It's snake oil! There are thousands of tests out there that will show
that regular 2 stroke oil and Amsoil is the same when it comes to
engine wear and tear. Your engine isn't 100:1 ratio by the way.

Loogypicker[_2_] April 23rd 10 06:41 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On Apr 23, 12:04*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 23, 11:00*am, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.


Anyone have any thoughts?


Yes. *If you get it wrong on the light side, you're going to lose an
engine. * Wrong the other way you'll just use a bit more oil and
change plugs more often. *Seems like an easy choice to me.


Yep. I think that 100:1 is a bit extreme unless you're gambling with a
$79.00 weed eater. I'm trying to figure out the 'just right' mixture.


50:1

I am Tosk April 23rd 10 07:48 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
In article 9ee985c9-359f-4fe1-84d2-
, says...

I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.

My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.

Anyone have any thoughts?


The oils I use for the two stroke bikes are synthetic (once you start
you should not go back). They are designed for 50:1 but I run 32:1
anyway as do many of the racers we ride with. Until you are looking for
that extra couple percent performance at the very top end of your
machines limits, I am told it can't hurt, only help the engine last
longer. BTW, we (and our pro friends) use exclusively Amsoil
"Dominator" two cycle oil in our machines. With naturally aspirated
engines, you should not have much problem with the mixture. We do tend
to pump a bit of blue smoke on startup, but once the engine is up to
temp it's not as bad... Hey, at least the plastic on the bike is green;)

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!

Tim April 23rd 10 08:18 PM

Using Amzoil in an older 2-cycle
 
On Apr 23, 12:40*pm, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 23, 8:55*am, Tim wrote:

I know that the ancient engines recommended using a quart of 30 weight
engine oil to gallons of gas, which was primitive, then with 2-cycle
oils the recommended mix ratio went from 24 to 50 to one, Now the
synthetics are going up to 100:1 ratios and for a modern 2 cycle I
think that's OK, but I'm not sure about the designs of the 70's.


My brother is an Amzoil dealer and he things it's the greatest thing
since malted milk, and I like synthetic 2 cycle oil, but I'm wondering
about the recommended mix ratio. personally I think 100:1 is a bit
thin.


Anyone have any thoughts?


It's snake oil! There are thousands of tests out there that will show
that regular 2 stroke oil and Amsoil is the same when it comes to
engine wear and tear. Your engine isn't 100:1 ratio by the way.


Well, 50:1 is the accepted norm, and I know the lubrication qualities
of modern 2 cycle oils are good, and both petroleum and synthetic
oils are probably compatable in that aspect, but what I was looking
for in the synthetic is less smoke, ash build up and goo on cold spark
plugs.


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