nom=de=plume wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.


I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it. There
must be a few.

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock, we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two are,
and we're trying to accomodate everyone.


Not worried about "jobs," eh?
Canuck57 has you libs pegged pretty well.
There's the welfare crowd, then the limo libs who don't have any work to
do except keep an eye on their investment portfolios, and cry about
unemployment and the homeless.
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on, that is.
You got bpuharic crying about his 401k dropping down to what - half a
mil? - while claiming he's "middle class," then you worrying about what
yacht to buy for a quarter mil.
And "letting it slip" that you could "afford" a megayacht.
All the while it's the "little guy" paying for it all.
Oh wait. You deserve what you have. That's right.
But then you claim that dog eat dog is the other side's philosophy.
You're just another braggart like Harry telling us how conspicuous
consumption works, and tooting your horn.
It's no wonder that Bill, who has patents and worked with Habitat, or
Richard and Frogwatch, whose initiative provided jobs for many and made
the world a better place, have more cred here than any limo lib.

Jim - Disgusted by rampant lib hypocrisy. No wonder there's a Tea Party.

On 4/16/10 9:07 AM, Jim wrote:

Canuck57 has you libs pegged pretty well.


Gosharoonie, droogies, is that flajim posting under his old handle, or
is it anon-e-moose posting as jim, or is it someone else faking his way
into flajim's shoes...

The fact that the poster is a fan of Canuck the Psychotic makes you
go...hmmmmmm.
:)

On Apr 16, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.


Heh..

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.
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Long as they enjoy it, it's the right boat!

Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,
No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Yep, yacht means different thing to different folks.
Only thing locked down about "yacht" is vessel for pleasure.
But there's a difference between a $1,000 boat and quarter million
dollar boat. $249,000 extra thrown in the hole in the water.
Libs should be giving that money to the poor, or for supporting their
"heartfelt" causes, not squandering it on themselves for frivolities.
It just gets me how some libs talk all poor and "caring" when not
bragging about their stock portfolios or riding in their limos.
Course it's all BS coming from deplum anyway.
These anonymous folks can't be believed for anything.
And that includes Loogy. Why is these libs won't use their names?
Harry don't count. He's not a lib, just a union thug. Worse, because
at least the normal limp-wristed lib don't go out leg-breaking with a
baseball bat.

Jim - My daddy told me that actions speak louder than words, and never
trust somebody selling goods from the trunk of a Cadillac limo.

On Apr 16, 1:53*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

On 4/16/10 3:15 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 16, 1:53 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.



Yep, and certainly better than Bud Lite and Miller Lite, although still
just another ****y American brew.

I spent a college summer working on the loading dock of Hulls Export
Beer in New Haven. I guess it was called Export Beer because no one in
New Haven would drink it. No one except us loading dock workers. :)


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On Apr 16, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

Absolutely but it isn't the "cheap beer" now

Sailboat engines, normally called "Auxiliary Engines" are sized to get
the boat to roughly 5 kts in calm water to enable her to get in and
out of port. Sailboats tend to have easily pushed hulls and need much
smaller engines than power boats like Trawlers. They are also
displacement hulls so will never go very fast anyway and the feeling
is that more power is wasted.
So, the 6.5 hp Yanmar 1 cylinder diesel (Model 1GM) did very well and
I even used ti to cruise all over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. One
Memorial day weekend, I motored a distance of 250 miles from near
Naples, FL back to Near St. Marks, FL with no wind at all and only
burned 12 gallons of diesel.
However, getting caught in 2 thunderstorms where that engine seemed
far too small to keep her bow pointed into the wind convinced me I
needed a larger engine so I bought a used Yanmar 2GM (2 cylinder 13
hp) and installed it. This significantly increased my top speed and
power in nasty conditions. She burns about 1/2 gal/hr at 5.5 kts and
maybe .7 gal/hr at 6.5 kts.
Sailboat diesels cost nearly as much as or more than outboards do. I
think you can still buy the Yanmar 1gm new for $2500 but a new 2GM
will cost about $5000, installation will be extra. My used engine was
taken out of a 30' racing boat because the owner wanted to use a tiny
trolling motor to get out of his slip to save weight for light wind.
I got it for $2000 and installed it myself.

On Apr 16, 3:19*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:59*pm, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

Absolutely but it isn't the "cheap beer" now

Sailboat engines, normally called "Auxiliary Engines" are sized to get
the boat to roughly 5 kts in calm water to enable her to get in and
out of port. *Sailboats tend to have easily pushed hulls and need much
smaller engines than power boats like Trawlers. *They are also
displacement hulls so will never go very fast anyway and the feeling
is that more power is wasted.
So, the 6.5 hp Yanmar 1 cylinder diesel (Model 1GM) did very well and
I even used ti to cruise all over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. *One
Memorial day weekend, I motored a distance of 250 miles from near
Naples, FL back to Near St. Marks, FL with no wind at all and only
burned 12 gallons of diesel.
However, getting caught in 2 thunderstorms where that engine seemed
far too small to keep her bow pointed into the wind convinced me I
needed a larger engine so I bought a used Yanmar 2GM (2 cylinder 13
hp) and installed it. *This significantly increased my top speed and
power in nasty conditions. *She burns about 1/2 gal/hr at 5.5 kts and
maybe .7 gal/hr at 6.5 kts.
Sailboat diesels cost nearly as much as or more than outboards do. *I
think you can still buy the Yanmar 1gm new for $2500 but a new 2GM
will cost about $5000, installation will be extra. *My used engine was
taken out of a 30' racing boat because the owner wanted to use a tiny
trolling motor to get out of his slip to save weight for light wind.
I got it for $2000 and installed it myself.

It
's interesting that you explained that. I've posted about something in
the past,t hat over at lake carlyle, there's some neat sail boats a
couple 35'rs too. And most have no sails. But on weekends you'll see
people loading up on fri. night, and motoring their way out into the
lake, and stay out there till Sunday night. Next weekend, do it again!

Some with kicker engines and some totally inboard, and not moving
fast, but moving steady. I suppose you don't have to sail a sail boat.