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On 13/04/2010 2:35 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us
were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where
a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up
Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does
not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton
advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one
survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the
Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either
party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

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The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.

Guess then they can loan the government money to bail themselves out.
LMAO... I didn't know that.

http://blogofbile.com/2009/07/17/gle...hs-connection/

Wow, Goldamn Sachs sure looks like corruption gon mad. Bet a lot of
Harvard in there too. I should spend more time reading up on the bankl
part of the corruption.

Looks like corrupt Goldman Sachs owns our politicians, the best loyalty
money can buy.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Wow... your other hero. Does he make you cry when he cries?

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Nom=de=Plume

On Apr 13, 11:59*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message

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On 13/04/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill *wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us
were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to
the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.

Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is
where
a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. *Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. *You should look up
Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something

Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. *Bush may have helped. *So did
the
previous couple administrations. *And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar?
Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. *Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. *Does
not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. *Some were Clinton
advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one survived and the other did not. *Yep, while Bush started bailouts,
the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to
either party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.

More right wing BS.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5

That page is a crock of ****. *The US Federal Reserve is creating money,
not borrowing it. *No one lent the US Federal Reserve $3.7 trillion in
2009 and 2010.... they created it.

Only fools and idiots think the government is raising this kind of debt by
really borrowing like you or I.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Well, free free to believe Rush or whatever source you use to get your
"facts." You're an idiot. Did I mention that recently?

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Nom=de=Plume

You're not average. Did I mention that recently?

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:39:01 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:32:07 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont
GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they
would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer
would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car
coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out
and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the
unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose.


My inlaws were all GM and Chrysler folks. They say most of those old
stories about sabotaging cars were just urban legends but "throwing
things over the fence" was pretty common. In the Delco radio shop in
Kokomo it became so common that they just changed the policy and let
the employees openly buy a new radio as "scrap" for $10.
Everyone had a nice radio.
They thought nothing of making personal things in the machine shop and
coming home with bags of miscellaneous parts. In a lot of cases these
were really "scrap". My father in law gave me a grocery bag full of
stainless steel bolts to put my pontoon boat together with after he
retired. He had been "collecting" them for years. Basically whenever
someone took out a box of them and didn't use them all they threw away
the rest because it was harder to check them back into "the crib" than
it was to order a new box. He just put them in his pocket every day
and brought them home.

That is not just GM though. IBM threw away a lot of stuff and I
couldn't believe what Centex put in their dumpsters..

After reading this, I'm sure glad I was in the Army. We didn't waste stuff like
those folks did. Well, maybe a few tanks, weapons, and some trucks and
helicopters, but nothing big like stainless steel bolts.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:03:24 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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IOW you dont know what the bill does



Neither does Congress.

won't deny that. but what it does do is good.

much better than free market medicine



How do you know if it is good, when you and congress do not know what it
does?

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:35:55 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:03:24 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


much better than free market medicine



How do you know if it is good, when you and congress do not know what it
does?

because nothing could be worse than what we have now. and congress
does understand SOME of it. that's why the GOP wants to repeal it. it
doesn't kill enough middle class workers