Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.


Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

On Apr 12, 1:15*pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. *Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

On 4/12/10 11:45 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:28:34 -0400,
wrote:

autoworkers in most democracies are
unionized. Even Ferrari autoworkers are unionized. *If* GM and Chrysler
are making "substandard" cars, it is entirely the fault of management.

I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and
encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way.
Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly
arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished
track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other
improvements in productivity.


You really do not know what you are talking about in your last
sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial
relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its
members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the
Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and
pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their
attempts to bust the unions. In other parts of the world, the
relationship between the manufacturers and the unions, while adversarial
in many countries, is quite different.

The auto manufacturers in this country got precisely the relationship
with the unions that they deserved.

Quality control at an auto plant is entirely the function of management.






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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 1:15 pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????

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On 4/12/10 4:55 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 1:15 pm, wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????



Froggy has whined here a number of times about his inability to keep his
workers busy, his desire to farm out what little manufacturing/assembly
he does to foreign workers, and his desire to find new lines of business
not related to what he does now.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.

guess he doesnt know the countries with best healthcare are all
'socialized'.

oh well...the right is never big on thinking

and both GM and chrysler are privately held...

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 12, 1:15*pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. *Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:17:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:14:33 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote:

On Apr 12, 10:28*am, Frogwatch wrote:
Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. *Good Job Dims.

Ford deserved kudos not only because they didn't take any fed money,
but also because their quality is now better than the rest, including
Toyota.

Meanwhile GM posted a 4.3 billion dollar loss for the second half of
2009. That butt-ugly Camaro is not going to save them.

My Dutch friend, a very liberal guy, commented that the European news is talking
about how much the US news is coming out against Toyota...with little or no
mention of the other car makers' recalls. They attribute it to the power of the
UAW and the attitude of the American press.

i've been to europe a number of times. they have no idea how weak
american unions are.

and the MSM is controlled by rupert murdoch...hardly a left winger

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the
most troublesome car I've owned. It had more issues than the two
Explorers that came after it.

i've got 197,000 miles on mine. replaced the tires a few time. a few
lightbulbs...that's about it.


Remind your friend of the US press going after Ford in the Explorer
roll-over fiasco.

really? my boss is living in an apartment while his house is being
rebuilt after his ford explorer short circuited and burned it down


Agree on the UAW though... they are corruption defined.

ROFLMAO!!! american unions don't exist.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400, hk
wrote:

I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and
encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way.
Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly
arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished
track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other
improvements in productivity.


You really do not know what you are talking about in your last
sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial
relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its
members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the
Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and
pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their
attempts to bust the unions.

1930s ?

That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later.
It's time to move on into the 21st century.

GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to
take the big strike and start sub-contracting out major
sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. The short term profit motive
and politics always won out. The UAW would target the weakest of the
three sisters and everyone else would fall into line.