On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

and here we can as well. of course, most of them graduated from the
world renowned kabul university school of medicine.


Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

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bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


True. Sometimes ideology overcomes common sense.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Plenty of proof. Why didn't the Dems get a health care bill, including
a public option or Medicare buy-in, done already?
They had 60 in the Senate and a good majority in the House.
And they're still stuck in neutral.
Look at who's paying off mobsters like Nelson, Lieberman, et al.
Insurance companies, drug companies, and Wall Street.
Why didn't Obama show the leadership needed to get the job done?
Look at his advisers and his political cash contributors.
Insurance companies, drug companies and Wall Street.
You know about the deals the Dems cut, don't you?
Money talks in the U.S.A. And the American government is the best money
can buy.
Don't get me wrong. Anything that gets passed is an improvement.
If they pass that first hurdle, the good pols can work on fixing the
problems. It'll be easy, because all the selling out of the American
citizens will become evident soon enough.
It's going be a Waterloo, one way or another.


Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.
But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.


Well, he's better and smarter than everybody else.
I heard something like 1/2 the Medicare budget is spent on keeping old
people alive for the last couple months.
It's a medical provider ripoff, but if you make them stop it, you'll be
accused of favoring death panels. Like Adolf Hitler, I think.
And you're a commie, too.
The money-makers have this stuff down pat.
And they find fools like Cannuck to suck it up and pass it on.
Fancies himself a brilliant capitalist. But he's just a tool.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:42:07 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

uh no. i just dont have a tin foil hat on my head like you do


Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

uh huh. our 401k's collapsed under bush. so who does canuck say is to
blame?

the darkie



Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

he'd go for socialized medicine. unfortunately there are alot of
illiterates like you in the US who drool into their bibs each night
sayinjg how wonderful unregulated capitalism is.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

our rates are insane too. we just squander our money on defense that
no one else in the world is willing to pay


For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

30% fed taxes
5% state and local
6% VAT
8% social security

gee. that's almost 50%. and yet you think americans pay no taxes.

more proof your tin foil hat needs adjusted

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry.

you mean like death panels? of course the GOP lied about THOSE...

right whiners lie about EVERYTHING

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 07/03/2010 2:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get
the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living
high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about
being
to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and even
Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have
the
equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing.
But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that
didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want socialized
medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people
and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want
the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem
here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious? Screw them,
these are sins not rights.

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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell
am
I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing
because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens
all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so his wife
could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not provide. He
was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the
drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such
maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate level
of
understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government
coverage
is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we pay aome
$2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government does not
cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time we don't
have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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You are truly stupid. Thank GOD you can't get back into the US.

Was there last fall, no issues.

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Bs. Prove it.

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On 07/03/2010 7:42 PM, Harry wrote:
On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.

Not at all, had a better investment opportunity here and could see the
US economy might go to hell. And being on visa's, well, always get out
when the going is good and on your terms. Worked out quite well too.

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On 07/03/2010 7:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

uh huh. our 401k's collapsed under bush. so who does canuck say is to
blame?

the darkie

Nope, your fault. Money is attracted to those that know how to manage it.

When money, government, banks, debt manages people, they tend to loose it.

I can't claim that truism, I owe it to my grandfather.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

he'd go for socialized medicine. unfortunately there are alot of
illiterates like you in the US who drool into their bibs each night
sayinjg how wonderful unregulated capitalism is.

Sometimes it is better to be satisfied with what you have and not become
a desperate envious jack ass.

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

our rates are insane too. we just squander our money on defense that
no one else in the world is willing to pay

You think so? When I was in Wisconsin, I believe in the top half of
taxation, I thought I was on a tax freaking holiday for 10 years.

You clueless ****s have no clue.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

30% fed taxes
5% state and local
6% VAT
8% social security

gee. that's almost 50%. and yet you think americans pay no taxes.

I have 10 US tax filing in he folder. I can make a direct comparison.
And I live int he cheapest taxed province in Canada.

You clueless ****s have no clue.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry.

you mean like death panels? of course the GOP lied about THOSE...

Nope, just limited liabilty on your sorry ass. Government isn't going
to change that. In fact they will government profit.

Better ask yourself, if you would persoannly pay $1 million to keep me
alive. Then ask why should I pay a million to keep you alive?
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On 07/03/2010 7:56 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work

Cool. Save your money as Obama is at some point going to have to pass
on the tax bill for this insane debt-bailout spending.

The mesiah has spent, now you must pay.

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On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?


Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!



And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.


gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.



The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

that what you consider good care?


I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.


But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class


Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em



Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

I put on some pounds for the case of Cocoa Puffs I bought. Can't get
them here. I always buy Cocoa Puffs I kid you not.

Proof, not going to give you any more than that. You are not sexy
enough. The english cucumber, back behind the milk.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end of
next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest rates
the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping overpaid
government workers on the payrole.