On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.

Agreed. Had a buddy who worked at one and said the place was paralyzed
against productive change for the bureaucracy was like an unmovable
titanium ingot.

The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.

Interesting.

But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."

Double standard. But does not give people the right not to pay for it.
One way or anotehr it will be paid. Last I checked, medical people
didn't work for free any more than I do.

Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.

To a point. But who am I to say people should or should not? I like
leaving the People with the choice.

Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.

And you can't bring your money with you.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk



Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry. But publicised and rigidly
designed, so it is the same for Obama as it is for you. No elitism. If
Obama or rich want it better, then they pay on their dime.

Like Williams in Canada did. His province wasn't good enough so he went
to a US hospital on the citizens dime I suspect. Elitism I suspect as
you can bet you ass his option isn't available to commoners.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:42:07 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

uh no. i just dont have a tin foil hat on my head like you do


Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

uh huh. our 401k's collapsed under bush. so who does canuck say is to
blame?

the darkie



Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

he'd go for socialized medicine. unfortunately there are alot of
illiterates like you in the US who drool into their bibs each night
sayinjg how wonderful unregulated capitalism is.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

our rates are insane too. we just squander our money on defense that
no one else in the world is willing to pay


For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

30% fed taxes
5% state and local
6% VAT
8% social security

gee. that's almost 50%. and yet you think americans pay no taxes.

more proof your tin foil hat needs adjusted

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry.

you mean like death panels? of course the GOP lied about THOSE...

right whiners lie about EVERYTHING

On 07/03/2010 7:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

uh huh. our 401k's collapsed under bush. so who does canuck say is to
blame?

the darkie

Nope, your fault. Money is attracted to those that know how to manage it.

When money, government, banks, debt manages people, they tend to loose it.

I can't claim that truism, I owe it to my grandfather.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

he'd go for socialized medicine. unfortunately there are alot of
illiterates like you in the US who drool into their bibs each night
sayinjg how wonderful unregulated capitalism is.

Sometimes it is better to be satisfied with what you have and not become
a desperate envious jack ass.

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

our rates are insane too. we just squander our money on defense that
no one else in the world is willing to pay

You think so? When I was in Wisconsin, I believe in the top half of
taxation, I thought I was on a tax freaking holiday for 10 years.

You clueless ****s have no clue.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

30% fed taxes
5% state and local
6% VAT
8% social security

gee. that's almost 50%. and yet you think americans pay no taxes.

I have 10 US tax filing in he folder. I can make a direct comparison.
And I live int he cheapest taxed province in Canada.

You clueless ****s have no clue.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry.

you mean like death panels? of course the GOP lied about THOSE...

Nope, just limited liabilty on your sorry ass. Government isn't going
to change that. In fact they will government profit.

Better ask yourself, if you would persoannly pay $1 million to keep me
alive. Then ask why should I pay a million to keep you alive?
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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


True. Sometimes ideology overcomes common sense.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Plenty of proof. Why didn't the Dems get a health care bill, including
a public option or Medicare buy-in, done already?
They had 60 in the Senate and a good majority in the House.
And they're still stuck in neutral.
Look at who's paying off mobsters like Nelson, Lieberman, et al.
Insurance companies, drug companies, and Wall Street.
Why didn't Obama show the leadership needed to get the job done?
Look at his advisers and his political cash contributors.
Insurance companies, drug companies and Wall Street.
You know about the deals the Dems cut, don't you?
Money talks in the U.S.A. And the American government is the best money
can buy.
Don't get me wrong. Anything that gets passed is an improvement.
If they pass that first hurdle, the good pols can work on fixing the
problems. It'll be easy, because all the selling out of the American
citizens will become evident soon enough.
It's going be a Waterloo, one way or another.


Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.
But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.


Well, he's better and smarter than everybody else.
I heard something like 1/2 the Medicare budget is spent on keeping old
people alive for the last couple months.
It's a medical provider ripoff, but if you make them stop it, you'll be
accused of favoring death panels. Like Adolf Hitler, I think.
And you're a commie, too.
The money-makers have this stuff down pat.
And they find fools like Cannuck to suck it up and pass it on.
Fancies himself a brilliant capitalist. But he's just a tool.