"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


It sounds like there's a bunch of missing information, but it's hard
to tell. In any case, you got your stuff done? Good for you.

It's one of the reasons I got out of doing for companies... too much
trouble with engineers/scientists.


There's nothing missing other than that in your misinterpretation of
what I wrote.
I was not applying for a patent. I was selling a company.

Eisboch


Ah... sorry. Missed the first sentence. That can be a very difficult
situation when the company holds patents. Why do you think it was
ridiculous for the attorneys, who don't know about your business, to ask
specific questions about the documents you gave them? It seems like you
weren't that prepared or were being a bit stubborn, which I found to be
typical of people in your situation. I know it's your "baby" and all
that, but sometimes hoops have to be jumped through.

I'm not sure what the gruff CEO has to do with the patent attorneys'
efforts, but ok. Sounds like you confronted him through them and you got
what you wanted. So, what's your beef?

--
Nom=de=Plume


I am sitting here chuckling at your response. Either you don't read
what people write or
you completely miss the primary point.

Condensed for your understanding:

1. Two day conference with patent attorneys at the *beginning* of a 3
month due diligence process.
2. Attorneys then leave to do whatever they do.
3. Said attorneys wait until the *day before* the closing to come back
to review a 3 inch thick
stack of patents by others they had dug up to see if there were any
infringments on our part.

By 8 pm we were barely halfway through them with about a 15-20 discussion
on each one. Closing scheduled for 9 am the following morning.

Was that easier to understand?

Eisboch



And if the attorneys had more time it would have been a 5 inch thick
stack.


Many get paid by the hour. I did for a lot of things... $300+ .. not bad.


--
Nom=de=Plume

Harry wrote:
On 3/8/2010 4:19 PM, HK wrote:
On 3/8/10 4:00 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:37:19 -0500, wrote:


"John wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:00:41 -0500, wrote:




Do you know to whom you're responding?
--

"Your honor can never be taken from you. Cherish it, in yourself
and in
others." (Unknown)

John H



Nope. I've lost track of who's who in this newsgroup. I really just
quickly browse the headers once in a while.

Rec.boats is wrecked.

Eisboch


Yup. I thought maybe you might know. I sure don't. A few of us are
trying to
keep some sanity here, but it's definitely an uphill battle.

That is absolute, complete, total b.s., herring.
What have you posted lately?

1. Snarky comments about other posters.
2. Snarky comments about the beliefs of others.
3. Attempts to persuade other posters to filter or not respond to
posters you don't like.
4. A bunch of old and stupid jokes or anecdotes, some of which are
ethnically insulting.
5. A bunch of URLs leading to various youtube renditions of
saccharine-sweet, mostly pseudo patriotic old songs.

All that crap does is take up bandwidth. It adds nothing to the quality
or sanity of rec.boats.

I am thankful, though, for your posting less nonsense about your golf
game, your camper trailer, your various sick relatives, et cetera.

I hope no one noticed that I am completely obsessed with John Herring. I
asked him to go boating with me in my new Parker, and the ****z would
declined. I have been after that asshole every since.

Your secret is safe with me. That Herring dude sure knows how to spot an
asshole. Doncha think?

On 3/9/10 5:37 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
Harry wrote:
On 3/8/2010 4:19 PM, HK wrote:
On 3/8/10 4:00 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:37:19 -0500, wrote:


"John wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:00:41 -0500, wrote:




Do you know to whom you're responding?
--

"Your honor can never be taken from you. Cherish it, in yourself
and in
others." (Unknown)

John H



Nope. I've lost track of who's who in this newsgroup. I really just
quickly browse the headers once in a while.

Rec.boats is wrecked.

Eisboch


Yup. I thought maybe you might know. I sure don't. A few of us are
trying to
keep some sanity here, but it's definitely an uphill battle.

That is absolute, complete, total b.s., herring.
What have you posted lately?

1. Snarky comments about other posters.
2. Snarky comments about the beliefs of others.
3. Attempts to persuade other posters to filter or not respond to
posters you don't like.
4. A bunch of old and stupid jokes or anecdotes, some of which are
ethnically insulting.
5. A bunch of URLs leading to various youtube renditions of
saccharine-sweet, mostly pseudo patriotic old songs.

All that crap does is take up bandwidth. It adds nothing to the quality
or sanity of rec.boats.

I am thankful, though, for your posting less nonsense about your golf
game, your camper trailer, your various sick relatives, et cetera.

I hope no one noticed that I am completely obsessed with John Herring.
I asked him to go boating with me in my new Parker, and the ****z
would declined. I have been after that asshole every since.

Your secret is safe with me. That Herring dude sure knows how to spot an
asshole. Doncha think?


He's had a lot of practice. Every morning, for about 65 years, he's
looked into the mirror while shaving it.

On 3/9/2010 12:14 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Very clear. I assume you no longer practice.

Eisboch

I don't do corporate stuff any more. I don't the engineering at companies
patent filings, and I don't do acquisition investigations, such as what
you when through.

I do individuals' patent work on a very part-time, very particular (my
particular) basis. I find it much more rewarding. I own a full-time,
non-related retail business with a few part-time employees.


That's cool. I can relate. I was a corporate technologist for 40 years,
got lucky and exited stage right.

I felt like I had to get out or lose my soul. It was the right time
soul-wise and financially.

(Or sometimes left depending on the subject matter). Got involved in a
"retail" business of sorts about 9 months ago and am still adjusting to
the non-logical and fickle personalities of semi-pro and professional
musicians.

Musicians are a special breed... my ex dabbled in it (semi-pro). He was
obsessed to say the least with it. But, we're still good friends.

I have an associate who is a rock and roller by heart (started in the 60's
with a couple of billboard hits) but quickly determined that he and his
family liked to eat. He went to law school and became a trial lawyer
which he did for 30 years before giving up his practice to return to his
true love of building fine acoustic guitars.
Interesting fellow .... and probably has one of the finest engineering
minds of anyone I've ever met, combined with a true craftsman's talent.

So, it proves there is hope for all lawyers.

Eisboch

Lawyers can be ok from time to time.


Present company excluded.
An Observation by Sandra Day O'Connor
"There is no shortage of lawyers in Washington, DC. In fact, there may
be more lawyers than people."

On 3/9/2010 12:15 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...


It sounds like there's a bunch of missing information, but it's hard
to tell. In any case, you got your stuff done? Good for you.

It's one of the reasons I got out of doing for companies... too much
trouble with engineers/scientists.


There's nothing missing other than that in your misinterpretation of
what I wrote.
I was not applying for a patent. I was selling a company.

Eisboch


Ah... sorry. Missed the first sentence. That can be a very difficult
situation when the company holds patents. Why do you think it was
ridiculous for the attorneys, who don't know about your business, to ask
specific questions about the documents you gave them? It seems like you
weren't that prepared or were being a bit stubborn, which I found to be
typical of people in your situation. I know it's your "baby" and all
that, but sometimes hoops have to be jumped through.

I'm not sure what the gruff CEO has to do with the patent attorneys'
efforts, but ok. Sounds like you confronted him through them and you got
what you wanted. So, what's your beef?

--
Nom=de=Plume


I am sitting here chuckling at your response. Either you don't read
what people write or
you completely miss the primary point.

Condensed for your understanding:

1. Two day conference with patent attorneys at the *beginning* of a 3
month due diligence process.
2. Attorneys then leave to do whatever they do.
3. Said attorneys wait until the *day before* the closing to come back
to review a 3 inch thick
stack of patents by others they had dug up to see if there were any
infringments on our part.

By 8 pm we were barely halfway through them with about a 15-20 discussion
on each one. Closing scheduled for 9 am the following morning.

Was that easier to understand?

Eisboch



And if the attorneys had more time it would have been a 5 inch thick
stack.


Many get paid by the hour. I did for a lot of things... $300+ .. not bad.


Do you still get paid $300 an hour at your little retail store?

On 3/9/10 6:42 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 12:14 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Very clear. I assume you no longer practice.

Eisboch

I don't do corporate stuff any more. I don't the engineering at
companies
patent filings, and I don't do acquisition investigations, such as what
you when through.

I do individuals' patent work on a very part-time, very particular (my
particular) basis. I find it much more rewarding. I own a full-time,
non-related retail business with a few part-time employees.


That's cool. I can relate. I was a corporate technologist for 40 years,
got lucky and exited stage right.

I felt like I had to get out or lose my soul. It was the right time
soul-wise and financially.

(Or sometimes left depending on the subject matter). Got involved in a
"retail" business of sorts about 9 months ago and am still adjusting to
the non-logical and fickle personalities of semi-pro and professional
musicians.

Musicians are a special breed... my ex dabbled in it (semi-pro). He was
obsessed to say the least with it. But, we're still good friends.

I have an associate who is a rock and roller by heart (started in the
60's
with a couple of billboard hits) but quickly determined that he and his
family liked to eat. He went to law school and became a trial lawyer
which he did for 30 years before giving up his practice to return to his
true love of building fine acoustic guitars.
Interesting fellow .... and probably has one of the finest engineering
minds of anyone I've ever met, combined with a true craftsman's talent.

So, it proves there is hope for all lawyers.

Eisboch

Lawyers can be ok from time to time.


Present company excluded.
An Observation by Sandra Day O'Connor
"There is no shortage of lawyers in Washington, DC. In fact, there may
be more lawyers than people."





Spoofer active again. Too bad.

On 3/9/10 6:44 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 12:15 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...


It sounds like there's a bunch of missing information, but it's hard
to tell. In any case, you got your stuff done? Good for you.

It's one of the reasons I got out of doing for companies... too much
trouble with engineers/scientists.


There's nothing missing other than that in your misinterpretation of
what I wrote.
I was not applying for a patent. I was selling a company.

Eisboch


Ah... sorry. Missed the first sentence. That can be a very difficult
situation when the company holds patents. Why do you think it was
ridiculous for the attorneys, who don't know about your business,
to ask
specific questions about the documents you gave them? It seems like
you
weren't that prepared or were being a bit stubborn, which I found
to be
typical of people in your situation. I know it's your "baby" and all
that, but sometimes hoops have to be jumped through.

I'm not sure what the gruff CEO has to do with the patent attorneys'
efforts, but ok. Sounds like you confronted him through them and
you got
what you wanted. So, what's your beef?

--
Nom=de=Plume


I am sitting here chuckling at your response. Either you don't read
what people write or
you completely miss the primary point.

Condensed for your understanding:

1. Two day conference with patent attorneys at the *beginning* of a 3
month due diligence process.
2. Attorneys then leave to do whatever they do.
3. Said attorneys wait until the *day before* the closing to come back
to review a 3 inch thick
stack of patents by others they had dug up to see if there were any
infringments on our part.

By 8 pm we were barely halfway through them with about a 15-20
discussion
on each one. Closing scheduled for 9 am the following morning.

Was that easier to understand?

Eisboch



And if the attorneys had more time it would have been a 5 inch thick
stack.


Many get paid by the hour. I did for a lot of things... $300+ .. not bad.


Do you still get paid $300 an hour at your little retail store?

Spoofer active again. Too bad.

On 3/9/2010 6:47 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/10 6:42 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 12:14 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Very clear. I assume you no longer practice.

Eisboch

I don't do corporate stuff any more. I don't the engineering at
companies
patent filings, and I don't do acquisition investigations, such as
what
you when through.

I do individuals' patent work on a very part-time, very particular (my
particular) basis. I find it much more rewarding. I own a full-time,
non-related retail business with a few part-time employees.


That's cool. I can relate. I was a corporate technologist for 40 years,
got lucky and exited stage right.

I felt like I had to get out or lose my soul. It was the right time
soul-wise and financially.

(Or sometimes left depending on the subject matter). Got involved in a
"retail" business of sorts about 9 months ago and am still adjusting to
the non-logical and fickle personalities of semi-pro and professional
musicians.

Musicians are a special breed... my ex dabbled in it (semi-pro). He was
obsessed to say the least with it. But, we're still good friends.

I have an associate who is a rock and roller by heart (started in the
60's
with a couple of billboard hits) but quickly determined that he and his
family liked to eat. He went to law school and became a trial lawyer
which he did for 30 years before giving up his practice to return to
his
true love of building fine acoustic guitars.
Interesting fellow .... and probably has one of the finest engineering
minds of anyone I've ever met, combined with a true craftsman's talent.

So, it proves there is hope for all lawyers.

Eisboch

Lawyers can be ok from time to time.


Present company excluded.
An Observation by Sandra Day O'Connor
"There is no shortage of lawyers in Washington, DC. In fact, there may
be more lawyers than people."





Spoofer active again. Too bad.

Do you think people will believe you just because you call spoofer? I
am so tired of all of this, If you don't stop this, I am going to leave
and never post in rec.boats again.

On 3/9/10 6:53 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 6:47 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/10 6:42 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 12:14 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Very clear. I assume you no longer practice.

Eisboch

I don't do corporate stuff any more. I don't the engineering at
companies
patent filings, and I don't do acquisition investigations, such as
what
you when through.

I do individuals' patent work on a very part-time, very particular
(my
particular) basis. I find it much more rewarding. I own a full-time,
non-related retail business with a few part-time employees.


That's cool. I can relate. I was a corporate technologist for 40
years,
got lucky and exited stage right.

I felt like I had to get out or lose my soul. It was the right time
soul-wise and financially.

(Or sometimes left depending on the subject matter). Got involved in a
"retail" business of sorts about 9 months ago and am still
adjusting to
the non-logical and fickle personalities of semi-pro and professional
musicians.

Musicians are a special breed... my ex dabbled in it (semi-pro). He was
obsessed to say the least with it. But, we're still good friends.

I have an associate who is a rock and roller by heart (started in the
60's
with a couple of billboard hits) but quickly determined that he and
his
family liked to eat. He went to law school and became a trial lawyer
which he did for 30 years before giving up his practice to return to
his
true love of building fine acoustic guitars.
Interesting fellow .... and probably has one of the finest engineering
minds of anyone I've ever met, combined with a true craftsman's
talent.

So, it proves there is hope for all lawyers.

Eisboch

Lawyers can be ok from time to time.


Present company excluded.
An Observation by Sandra Day O'Connor
"There is no shortage of lawyers in Washington, DC. In fact, there may
be more lawyers than people."





Spoofer active again. Too bad.

Do you think people will believe you just because you call spoofer? I am
so tired of all of this, If you don't stop this, I am going to leave and
never post in rec.boats again.

The ones with working brains will.


--


If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3
then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer.

On 3/9/2010 6:55 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/10 6:53 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 6:47 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/10 6:42 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/9/2010 12:14 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Very clear. I assume you no longer practice.

Eisboch

I don't do corporate stuff any more. I don't the engineering at
companies
patent filings, and I don't do acquisition investigations, such as
what
you when through.

I do individuals' patent work on a very part-time, very particular
(my
particular) basis. I find it much more rewarding. I own a full-time,
non-related retail business with a few part-time employees.


That's cool. I can relate. I was a corporate technologist for 40
years,
got lucky and exited stage right.

I felt like I had to get out or lose my soul. It was the right time
soul-wise and financially.

(Or sometimes left depending on the subject matter). Got involved
in a
"retail" business of sorts about 9 months ago and am still
adjusting to
the non-logical and fickle personalities of semi-pro and professional
musicians.

Musicians are a special breed... my ex dabbled in it (semi-pro). He
was
obsessed to say the least with it. But, we're still good friends.

I have an associate who is a rock and roller by heart (started in the
60's
with a couple of billboard hits) but quickly determined that he and
his
family liked to eat. He went to law school and became a trial lawyer
which he did for 30 years before giving up his practice to return to
his
true love of building fine acoustic guitars.
Interesting fellow .... and probably has one of the finest
engineering
minds of anyone I've ever met, combined with a true craftsman's
talent.

So, it proves there is hope for all lawyers.

Eisboch

Lawyers can be ok from time to time.


Present company excluded.
An Observation by Sandra Day O'Connor
"There is no shortage of lawyers in Washington, DC. In fact, there may
be more lawyers than people."





Spoofer active again. Too bad.

Do you think people will believe you just because you call spoofer? I am
so tired of all of this, If you don't stop this, I am going to leave and
never post in rec.boats again.

The ones with working brains will.

Well that leaves you out of the equation. Why do you come here and
insist on besmirching my good name and reputation?