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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry" wrote in message
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wrote:

It didn't help that GM has been buying out the boomers with full
pensions and benefits when they are in their 50s. It is just a way to
make your bottom line look better and offload the problem onto the
taxpayer. I believe Detroit management and the UAW share
responsibility here.



You righties seem to have no understanding whatsoever about the purpose
of a labor union. That purpose is to advocate for its members for better
wages, hours, working conditions and fringe benefits, and to protect its
members from the arbitrary decisions of management. Unions are not
responsible for the screw-ups of management.


Wait a minute. The labor unions have had a mighty strong negotiating
positions with
management for many years. Those negotiations affect management
decisions, good or bad.
You can't say that unions don't have an affect on the company's direction
or future, as
you have already stated that their purpose includes "to protect its
members from the arbitrary
decisions of management."

Eisboch




Yes. They have had strong positions in the past. Not so much in recent
times. Blame is universal. Now that we've solved this, it's time to get back
to the other, more pressing issues, such as John Edward's love child,
ummm... the Supreme Court decision. :)


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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 24/01/2010 5:23 PM, bpuharic wrote:

He was trying to say stocks are overpriced right now. If "right now"
is last week I agree There was a big correction Thursday and Friday
after Obama announced he was cracking down on wall street.

great the thieves are getting worried

No, the thieves like me have already cashed out waiting for dips and good
prices as people panic. Made 30%+ last year on this trick. I was cashing
out in December and the first week of January.

Have to love this volitily. Cha-ching!

All possible for lib-dimwits insatiable need for cheap easy debt.

The real question is if that will blow over and people will continue
to buy the market up or whether they will cash in and wait for better
news before the start buying again.

the real question is if congress will let the president reign in the
banks or will they start the traditional crap about class warfare like
one republican did last week

Hot air tought talk on Obama is a ruse, BS, sucker bait. Banks has him
by the balls. A better position than GM had, and GM got $100 billion for
it's criminal debt problems.

Just hot air from talk a lot. Sounds like a street jive,w e will get the
money back. Who is he BSing? GM on the books only owes US treasury $6.7
billion. You do the math. Just flack. Obama is mad because China is
pulling his credit. Just like a spoiled debtor that didn't pay the car
loan blaming the bank.


Wow... $100B. Let me guess, you pulled that number out of your butt.
Actually, I didn't have to guess.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 24/01/2010 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:42:41 -0500, wrote:

Time will tell but the market is over bought for the fundimentals
which
tells me inflation is the cause. Jobless recovery at best.

Agreed, put in some stop loss orders if you want to lock in profits,
although it would have been better done last week.
I have unrealized sell orders in on a few items, looking for one more
little bounce.

Money does tend to pile onto anything that looks like it is going up,
whether it is rational or not. Usually it isn't

core inflation was about 2% last year.

care to try again?

What does that have to do with what we were talking about (the
valuation of the stock market)
He was trying to say stocks are overpriced right now. If "right now"
is last week I agree There was a big correction Thursday and Friday
after Obama announced he was cracking down on wall street.

The real question is if that will blow over and people will continue
to buy the market up or whether they will cash in and wait for better
news before the start buying again.

We are due for a correction, question is how deap will it go this time. My
guess is below 10,000 on the Dow is almost certain. Maybe 9000 in two
weeks?

With China pulling back on credit, Obama is broke and looking for $1.9
trillion for this years debt-spend, Japan is in toruble too, unemployment
up again, I would say wild assed dips are a coming. Only the threat of
currency deflation keeps stocks this high.

Are we sure Obama isn't Osama's brother?


You're a racist. We're sure of that.

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:29:22 -0500, John H
wrote:


Them's blasphemous words around here, my friend. If there's the
slightest chance a post can be called 'racist', the libs here will do
so, unless a lib made the post, of course.

the right thinks that racism never existed in this country...unless
it's blacks against poor, innocent, concerned whites...

the history of lynching not withstanding


Blacks in the south were racist also.



Yeah, all those lynchings and cross-burnings. The blacks did it!

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:13:12 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/01/2010 12:01 PM, bpuharic wrote:


it's not that government is too large. it's that it's been captured by
the very people it's supposed to regulate, and has often turned
against the people who give it its power

And because the voters are politically corrupted themselves. "Obama
will pay for my gas and morgage...".

the biggest spender in US history was george bush

again and again you keep telling me obama was president for 8 years

got proof, or do right winger have a short attention span?


... Low morals, low wisdom, low life
entitlement mentality.

you guys go on about small govt THEN tell us you want the govt to be
in the morals business

another contradiction in right wing theology

Why do you say Bush is the Biggest Spender? At the rate that Obama and
Congress are burning through money, they have almost caught up in a year
what it took Congress, both Republican and Democrat controlled versions,
and Bush 8 years to spend. The current people in control are talking
another stimulus bill. They may pass Bush in 18 months. And set records
that will doom us to 3rd world status. Use your boat now, as you will not
be able to afford to at the rate Congress and Obama are piling up debt.



Sounds like a paranoid delusion to me...

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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry" wrote in message
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wrote:

It didn't help that GM has been buying out the boomers with full
pensions and benefits when they are in their 50s. It is just a way to
make your bottom line look better and offload the problem onto the
taxpayer. I believe Detroit management and the UAW share
responsibility here.



You righties seem to have no understanding whatsoever about the purpose of
a labor union. That purpose is to advocate for its members for better
wages, hours, working conditions and fringe benefits, and to protect its
members from the arbitrary decisions of management. Unions are not
responsible for the screw-ups of management.


Wait a minute. The labor unions have had a mighty strong negotiating
positions with
management for many years. Those negotiations affect management decisions,
good or bad.
You can't say that unions don't have an affect on the company's direction or
future, as
you have already stated that their purpose includes "to protect its members
from the arbitrary
decisions of management."

Eisboch



I did not state or imply that unions have no effect on management
decisions. I did say a union's responsibility is to its members, not to
corporate management or shareholders.

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"CalifBill" wrote in message
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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You earn $100. You get to keep $90. You earn $100,000. You get to
keep
$90,000. Which would you pick?


Dumb example. People who choose to ignore an education and/or are
lazy
don't have the option to choose a $100K income.

or they could be black, jewish, women, latino, etc.


Uneducated black, Jewish, women, Latino, etc. I worked in the
Silicon Valley as an engineer. Lots of Jewish, Black and Latino
coworkers making in excess of $100k. All had university educations.
Lots of black, Jewish, women, Latino, etc. Working as assemblers and
janitors and secretaries that made a hell of a lot less than the
engineers. They also did not have advanced education. And most of us
making a $100k plus were working more hours than those making $35k or
so. Probably working harder also. I worked and put myself through
college, did take advantage of the corporate tuition reimbursement to
help pay for that. Evil corporation, making it advantageous for me to
go to school. My nephew, makes very little, mostly odd jobs, 45 years
old. Thought he was a computer guru, but never went to JC, or night
school to get a certificate, etc. Lazy. Problem with most of those in
dire straights, other than those with major health problems, is lack of
education or lazy.



All true no doubt, but that doesn't include all people making $35K/year.

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35k is not dire straights.



With four kids???? You're cracked.

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And you are clueless to the real world.

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:47:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:56:42 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:41:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:17:14 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

it was corporate america's attitude that destroyed GM, not the UAW.

What was GM's largest financial liability?

Just a wild ass guess. LABOR

nope. less than 10% of the vehicle's price

but, of course, that's what the right whine WOULD guess

You are right that the average labor cost in a GM car is about $1600
but the burden is the additional obligations to retirees that adds
another $2000 to that car.

which in other countries, is picked up by the govt.

our govt is engaged in a race to the bottom. cut wages, cut benefits,
no vacation.

americans work harder and longer than any other industrialzed country

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:09:44 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry" wrote in message
...

wrote:

It didn't help that GM has been buying out the boomers with full
pensions and benefits when they are in their 50s. It is just a way to
make your bottom line look better and offload the problem onto the
taxpayer. I believe Detroit management and the UAW share
responsibility here.



You righties seem to have no understanding whatsoever about the purpose of
a labor union. That purpose is to advocate for its members for better
wages, hours, working conditions and fringe benefits, and to protect its
members from the arbitrary decisions of management. Unions are not
responsible for the screw-ups of management.


Wait a minute. The labor unions have had a mighty strong negotiating
positions with
management for many years.

how? if management didnt like the deal, they shut down the plant and
move to a right to work state that the right wing has so thoughtfully
provided.

or they just wait out the strike then hire scabs, legal because of the
right wing

unions have no power at all. that's why they dont exist in this
country

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:45 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/01/2010 5:23 PM, bpuharic wrote:

He was trying to say stocks are overpriced right now. If "right now"
is last week I agree There was a big correction Thursday and Friday
after Obama announced he was cracking down on wall street.

great the thieves are getting worried

No, the thieves like me have already cashed out waiting for dips and
good prices as people panic. Made 30%+ last year on this trick. I was
cashing out in December and the first week of January.

no, the thieves are worried that they cant continue stealing.


Have to love this volitily. Cha-ching!

All possible for lib-dimwits insatiable need for cheap easy debt.

unfortunately i work for a living. dont have time to do everything.
unlike wall street i actually work in a productive capacity


The real question is if that will blow over and people will continue
to buy the market up or whether they will cash in and wait for better
news before the start buying again.

the real question is if congress will let the president reign in the
banks or will they start the traditional crap about class warfare like
one republican did last week

Hot air tought talk on Obama is a ruse, BS, sucker bait. Banks has him
by the balls. A better position than GM had, and GM got $100 billion
for it's criminal debt problems.

that may be right. we'll see. and GM? got the bailout from
bush...that's when the plan was developed

you right whiners think obama's been president for 8 years


Just hot air from talk a lot. Sounds like a street jive,w e will get
the money back. Who is he BSing? GM on the books only owes US treasury
$6.7 billion. You do the math. Just flack. Obama is mad because China
is pulling his credit. Just like a spoiled debtor that didn't pay the
car loan blaming the bank.

GM's bailout is 3% of TARP.

how much did bush spend on AIG?