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Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/01/2010 11:27 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:20:10 -0500, wrote:

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On 22/01/2010 11:54 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:40:09 -0500,
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The top brackets ought to be paying 49%, and there should be no
cap on
earnings subject to social security and medicare taxes.

As long as the top 1% controls 50% of the campaign contributions and
100% of the media you won't see that. They may pass that as the
published top rate but there will be enough tax shelters and
loopholes
so they won't actually pay that.
The government has a long rich history of using the tax code to
drive
social policy. If you do politically correct things you get tax
breaks, big ones.

Is why there will never be a flat tax. Taxation is the ultimate
control.

A flat tax is regressive.

You know squat about economics. Flat tax is linear and proportional.

I am trying to figure out how 10% for guy A is different then 10% for
guy B?

I have a feeling that those who hold the belief that a flat tax is
regressive look at what guy A and guy B have left after being taxed at a
flat rate and that is where they see the "regressiveness."


Remember their goal. Everyone earns the same

Except those in charge, of course.

In which case, I will sit on my ass or leave. As many will do. Like
many, I have invested heavily in my education



Got that GED yet?

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On 23/01/2010 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:36:21 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Since this is a court decision it might take a constitutional
amendment to fix it. I haven't read the decision yet but it might say
they have a constitutional right to buy politicians. They have been
doing it right along but now it is sanctioned by the court.


They've been doing it with at least some restrictions. Now, currently,
they've wiped those out. Something needs to get done, but I'm not sure an
amendment is the way. Maybe. It's not easy to do, esp. with the current
climate in DC.


The problem is,. you can't legislate away a constitutional right.
I am still wading my way through the decision but it is clear this was
not just a liberal judge/conservative judge thing (sorry). They all
concur on some points.

Don't bank on it. Roman people too thought the same thing.

You must be prepared to defend your liberties or lose them.

If Senate, Congress and the Presidente decide to burn an ammedment and
people don't effectively complain then it is gone.

Hitler, Chavez and many others have done just this in recent times.

Seeing Obama toss out corporate debt law so easily with GM, I would be
real nervious and have a lot of anxiety if the current governemnt were
to tinker with the supreme court or ammendments.

In fact much of todays economic issues stem from the lack of
accountability of debt, and respect for repayment to others. What GM
did was squander/steal $177 billion and no one is going to jail. The
white collar, including governemnt now makes the rules their way.

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:24:26 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/01/2010 3:50 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:11:10 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


i did my grad work at lehigh. they didn't admit women until '71.
neither did princeton. there's still alot of bias in the system

Can one imagine the howling if I set up a institution with the same
funding like UNCF but called it UWCF?

and how many blacks used to own whites?

let's see....the right believes that obama's been president for 8
years.

and that slavery never happened.

what other interesting facts of history will the right wing invent?
stay tuned!

Racism is a two sided coin and isn't always what it seems. In fact,
cries of racism are often crying wolf when there is no wolf. And the
disease where it exists is not limited to WASPs, in fact some of the
worst racism I have ever seen whas not white initiated.

ever hear of 'loving vs virginia'?

why not tell us about how it was illegal for blacks to marry whites
until 1972 and how that proves racism never existed in the US, OK?

as to black racism, its first victim is other blacks and the way it
cripples black achievement.

BUT blacks never sat on the boards of big companies, were CEO's etc.
until racism became disgusting

which didn't happen all that long ago.

so tell us how blacks used to lynch whites, and other right wing
stories. i love a good fairy tale

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On 23/01/2010 12:01 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:31:44 -0700,
wrote:

On 22/01/2010 5:38 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:46 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


and the SCOTUS just ****ed us again. they ruled companies can do
whatever they want in terms of paying for campaigns.

this country, courtesy of the right wing, may be doomed

Oh yee of little faith. While I'll agree the SCOTUS decision is the
absolutely wrong one, you are starting to sound like a Republican, all
doom and gloom. If there is one thing I have learned, in my short time
on this planet, is this country is incredibly resilient. It's people are
the hardest working, most creative, people you will find. We have faced
far more difficult challenges than this current SCOTUS. We will survive,
and we will prosper. Hell, eight years of Bush hasn't killed us. Need I
say more?


I hope you're right. I'm an optimistic person, but this ruling is pretty
extreme. It's going to take a lot of Congressional action to nullify it, and
I'm not sure Congress is up for the task.

Who do you think appoints the SCOTUS? Didn't see any new
liberal-democrat Obama appointees oppose it.

in the last 30 years, dems have appointed 3 justices. the GOP has
appointed 7.



Perhaps we should have a truce. Does not mater be you left or right,
statism and corruption is the enemy here. Governmetn is now large
enough it works for itself and not the people. The US government (any
party) has the most corruption as they have most of the money.

Statism and corruption destroy left and right wealth. Everyone looses.

it's not that government is too large. it's that it's been captured by
the very people it's supposed to regulate, and has often turned
against the people who give it its power

And because the voters are politically corrupted themselves. "Obama
will pay for my gas and morgage...".... Low morals, low wisdom, low life
entitlement mentality. Willing to sell their American liberties and
mutual self respect to the first pied piper that shows up. Decay of
morality in society. Evvy, greed and corruption now rule.

It isn't going to change any time soon.

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:29:22 -0500, John H
wrote:


Them's blasphemous words around here, my friend. If there's the
slightest chance a post can be called 'racist', the libs here will do
so, unless a lib made the post, of course.

the right thinks that racism never existed in this country...unless
it's blacks against poor, innocent, concerned whites...

the history of lynching not withstanding

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:37:12 -0500, Harry
wrote:



The world would be far better off with your heads on pikes outside the
village gates,

now this...THIS is an image worth considering, and a solution worth
pursuing!

i also laughed my ass off...

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:25:29 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/01/2010 6:10 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:58:30 -0700,
wrote:

Liberals are always for big fat lard government. Too bad only liberals
would get the bills for liberal sized mistakes like debt and bailouts.

and right wingers are always for big fat, lard, church based govt.

Obviously you are a low morals loser.

and obviously you're a taliban wannabee

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On 23/01/2010 12:34 PM, thunder wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:35:17 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


When a multinational based in China, the communist one, decides to take
an interest in our elections, tell me again how strange Liberal
thinking is.

So? Are you now imposing who can bribe who? You mean only democrats
can accept bribes?

I guess that must be it. I'm an American, and I have this funny idea,
America should be run by Americans. We don't need any help from Chinese
communists to run it, or Canadians, for that matter.

Unfortuantely as a Canadian I am affectd by what goes on in the USA. I
have friends that are Americans. My father and grand parents were
Americans. I am not a hill billy Canadian hateful of the USA because
Chretien says so. Not you typical herd sheeple.

Canada shares the longest border in the world, mostly unprotected. What
the USA does is going to affect people I know on both sides of this ruse
border.

I wish the USA comes out of this as much as anybody can.

But unfortunately the amount of liberal indebtedness is coming back to
haunt. China is reducing credit internally and externally, so Obama and
Harpo can't borrow the debt-corruption-spend any longer. That is why
they are in a tiff. The credit company has put government on notice.

Rightfully so too, as our governments are the biggest debt welchers going.

Nothing worse than the attitude of a welcher. I now know why they had
debtor courts at one time. These welchers need jail and or slavery time
to fix their attitdude.

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:13:12 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/01/2010 12:01 PM, bpuharic wrote:


it's not that government is too large. it's that it's been captured by
the very people it's supposed to regulate, and has often turned
against the people who give it its power

And because the voters are politically corrupted themselves. "Obama
will pay for my gas and morgage...".

the biggest spender in US history was george bush

again and again you keep telling me obama was president for 8 years

got proof, or do right winger have a short attention span?


.... Low morals, low wisdom, low life
entitlement mentality.

you guys go on about small govt THEN tell us you want the govt to be
in the morals business

another contradiction in right wing theology

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On 23/01/2010 1:48 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"John wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:34:10 -0600,
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:35:17 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


When a multinational based in China, the communist one, decides to take
an interest in our elections, tell me again how strange Liberal
thinking is.

So? Are you now imposing who can bribe who? You mean only democrats
can accept bribes?

I guess that must be it. I'm an American, and I have this funny idea,
America should be run by Americans. We don't need any help from Chinese
communists to run it, or Canadians, for that matter.

Soros couldn't take money from the Chinese? Could Chinese individuals
not make contributions? You obviously don't like the ruling, so you're
making up ridiculous reasons to be against it.

Talk about a strawman.



Talk about not thinking! Soros (or Gates or whomever) would never have the
financial resources compared to a multi-billion dollar company. I believe
you have to be a US citizen to make campaign contributions, so Chinese
individuals could not make contributions.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

Want to make a bet on that? Bet I could legally contribute to Obama or
Palin, hell, why not both! So if either wins, I win!

Recipes:

Open up a US corporation, any LLC will do. From there direct a
donation. Foreign owned, but a US corporation. That simple. A US
corporation is a US entity.

And if that isn't good enough, I am sure there are plenty of Americans
that would do it for a fee.

In fact, bet I could write a $1000 cheque from an American address and
bank account and get both the Dem or GOP to cash it. I really doubt all
the cheques are checked. I can even provide a valid SSN if needed.

And there is always cash in a brief case. There is a reason why
government does not make everything plastic, they too want cash under
the table.

Just another unenforcable law. But not that I recommend trying it.