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Jack[_3_] January 20th 10 04:22 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO


TopBassDog January 20th 10 04:34 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On Jan 19, 10:22*pm, Jack wrote:
"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."

Delicious!! *Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO


I wonder if Krause has diarrhea now?

bpuharic January 20th 10 11:16 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:46 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO



another victory for goldman sachs

Harry[_2_] January 20th 10 11:49 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
TopBassDog wrote:
On Jan 19, 10:22 pm, Jack wrote:
"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."

Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO


I wonder if Krause has diarrhea now?


Of the mouth? He's had it all along. You haven't noticed?

Canuck57[_9_] January 20th 10 01:35 PM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On 20/01/2010 4:16 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO



another victory for goldman sachs


Actually not. It was democrats that bailed Goldman out. All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.

bpuharic January 20th 10 11:24 PM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/01/2010 4:16 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO



another victory for goldman sachs


Actually not. It was democrats that bailed Goldman out.


actually it was bernanke, bush's fed chairman...left little choice
after 8 years of GOP free market fundamentalism

All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.


ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?


D.Duck[_5_] January 21st 10 12:52 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/01/2010 4:16 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO

another victory for goldman sachs

Actually not. It was democrats that bailed Goldman out.


actually it was bernanke, bush's fed chairman...left little choice
after 8 years of GOP free market fundamentalism

All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.


ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?



What is your definition of middle class and rich?

Bruce[_10_] January 21st 10 12:54 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
Jack wrote:
"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO


Hopefully Obama's can set aside his ego and take this for what it is. A
look into the future.

Bruce[_10_] January 21st 10 12:56 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700,
wrote:


On 20/01/2010 4:16 AM, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:22:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


"WASHINGTON, D.C., January 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican
U.S. Senate candidate Scott Brown pulled an immense upset victory in
Massachusetts’ special election Tuesday night, overtaking Democrat
Martha Coakley by five points with three out of four districts
reporting."


Delicious!! Oh, err.. kick ass!

ROTFLMAO


another victory for goldman sachs

Actually not. It was democrats that bailed Goldman out.

actually it was bernanke, bush's fed chairman...left little choice
after 8 years of GOP free market fundamentalism

All these

bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.

ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?


If they invested, they would see the same results. Do you understand
that it wasn't a 50% tax cut?

Tom Francis - SWSports January 21st 10 01:23 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

What is your definition of middle class and rich?


Me. :)

bpuharic January 21st 10 02:40 AM

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700, Canuck57



All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.


ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?



What is your definition of middle class and rich?


middle class: 20-80 percentiles

rich: top 5% of income bracket


bpuharic January 21st 10 02:41 AM

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:56:18 -0500, Bruce wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700,
wrote:



actually it was bernanke, bush's fed chairman...left little choice
after 8 years of GOP free market fundamentalism

All these

bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.

ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?


If they invested, they would see the same results. Do you understand
that it wasn't a 50% tax cut?


actually you're correct. it was greater than 50%

the middle class got screwed even more.t hanks for pointing that out


D.Duck[_5_] January 21st 10 05:54 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

What is your definition of middle class and rich?


Me. :)



Are you confirming the "bipolar" assessment that "someone" around here
throws out about you? 8)

Steve B[_2_] January 21st 10 06:18 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 

"Bruce" wrote

Hopefully Obama's can set aside his ego and take this for what it is. A
look into the future.


Is it me, or is he looking angry and showing his teeth a lot lately? He's
never going to get out of this alive if he keeps up his angst level. One of
those veins in his forehead is just going to pop one day.

Steve



bpuharic January 21st 10 11:42 AM

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:53:52 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:40:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700, Canuck57



All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.

ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?



What is your definition of middle class and rich?


middle class: 20-80 percentiles

rich: top 5% of income bracket


So you are saying a family making $150k is "rich"?

That 5% does pay 60% of the taxes so I guess somebody thinks so.


uh...no. there's also upper middle class.


BTW the capital gains reduction from 39% to 28% was in 1979 (Carter)



It dropped to 20% in 1997 (Clinton) and Bush took it to 15%

The GOP contribution to your 50% tax cut was 10% of it.


uh...no. the GOP controlled the congress under clinton. so they
forced the 30% reduction from 39 to 28. right before they impeached
clinton.

There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.


it seems you got it just a bit wrong...

If they repeal this and allow the cap gains tax to rise, expect a big
"correction" in the market as people cash in their profits before the
tax kicks in. Too bad if your money is in a 401k and you can't get out
but I guess we have already seen that happen recently.


of course this is bull****. there' so much money to be stolen by the
rich they won't do anything.


I am Tosk January 21st 10 12:59 PM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:40:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700, Canuck57



All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.

ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?



What is your definition of middle class and rich?


middle class: 20-80 percentiles

rich: top 5% of income bracket


So you are saying a family making $150k is "rich"?

That 5% does pay 60% of the taxes so I guess somebody thinks so.

BTW the capital gains reduction from 39% to 28% was in 1979 (Carter)

It dropped to 20% in 1997 (Clinton) and Bush took it to 15%

The GOP contribution to your 50% tax cut was 10% of it.

There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.


Did you expect anything else from our newest far left lying loon?


If they repeal this and allow the cap gains tax to rise, expect a big
"correction" in the market as people cash in their profits before the
tax kicks in. Too bad if your money is in a 401k and you can't get out
but I guess we have already seen that happen recently.




Harry[_2_] January 21st 10 01:02 PM

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I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:40:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:35:56 -0700, Canuck57
All these
bailout for Obama dollars types just got a suttle message. Get your
freeking dirty greedy selfish hands out of our tax pockets. Income tax
was never meant for corrupt corporations kissing up to democrats.
ROFLMAO!!! the ONLY people the GOP gives tax cuts to are the rich.

capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?


What is your definition of middle class and rich?
middle class: 20-80 percentiles

rich: top 5% of income bracket

So you are saying a family making $150k is "rich"?

That 5% does pay 60% of the taxes so I guess somebody thinks so.

BTW the capital gains reduction from 39% to 28% was in 1979 (Carter)

It dropped to 20% in 1997 (Clinton) and Bush took it to 15%

The GOP contribution to your 50% tax cut was 10% of it.

There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.


Did you expect anything else from our newest far left lying loon?

If they repeal this and allow the cap gains tax to rise, expect a big
"correction" in the market as people cash in their profits before the
tax kicks in. Too bad if your money is in a 401k and you can't get out
but I guess we have already seen that happen recently.




Why would this discussion interest a lazybones can't-hold-a-job like
you, Snotty Scotty?

John H[_12_] January 21st 10 01:31 PM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:23:09 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:52:20 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

What is your definition of middle class and rich?


Me. :)


LMAO!
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

nom=de=plume January 22nd 10 12:53 AM

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"Bruce" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:42:08 -0500, wrote:


capital gains tax was 38% when reagan took office. when bush left
they
were 15%

when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?




BTW the capital gains reduction from 39% to 28% was in 1979 (Carter)


It dropped to 20% in 1997 (Clinton) and Bush took it to 15%

The GOP contribution to your 50% tax cut was 10% of it.

uh...no. the GOP controlled the congress under clinton. so they
forced the 30% reduction from 39 to 28. right before they impeached
clinton.

So we can blame the last 2 years of Bush on the Democrats?



There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.

it seems you got it just a bit wrong...

Not so much Who said Reagan dropped the 38% ? (it was in the Carter
administration)


If they repeal this and allow the cap gains tax to rise, expect a big
"correction" in the market as people cash in their profits before the
tax kicks in. Too bad if your money is in a 401k and you can't get out
but I guess we have already seen that happen recently.

of course this is bull****. there' so much money to be stolen by the
rich they won't do anything.

I agree the rich are getting richer but if you make less than $65,000
you get the best deal on capital gains. (5%)



And, you have less money to begin with, thus your "best deal" isn't so
great. Let's say you claim $10K in capital gains and pay 5%. Your net is
$9500. Cool. Now, let's say you claim $100K in capital gains and pay 20%
(just for fun). Your net is $80K. So, looking at it in actual dollars,
which
is the "better deal" or rather, which one would you rather have?


It's a measure of success.



Yes, it's a measure of financial success. Your point? "Getting the best
deal" doesn't mean actually making a lot of money.


--
Nom=de=Plume



Bill McKee January 22nd 10 12:58 AM

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:59:19 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:40:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.


Did you expect anything else from our newest far left lying loon?


guess you didn't know the dems, under carter, raised capital gains to
almost 40%

http://www.urban.org/publications/1000519.html



And what was inflation under Carter? Huge tax increase that inflation.



bpuharic January 22nd 10 01:22 AM

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:59:19 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:40:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.

Did you expect anything else from our newest far left lying loon?


guess you didn't know the dems, under carter, raised capital gains to
almost 40%

http://www.urban.org/publications/1000519.html



And what was inflation under Carter? Huge tax increase that inflation.


and what is the cost of being unemployed, courtesy of 'free market'
economics? what's the cost of 10 years with no increase in jobs? of 10
years of no pay increases?

how's that working out?



bpuharic January 22nd 10 01:23 AM

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:58 -0500, Bruce wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:56:18 -0500, wrote:


when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?



If they invested, they would see the same results. Do you understand
that it wasn't a 50% tax cut?

actually you're correct. it was greater than 50%

the middle class got screwed even more.t hanks for pointing that out


How is the middle class not subject to the same taxes?


because our tax rate stayed the same

the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Jack[_3_] January 22nd 10 01:42 AM

BREAKING: Brown Wins in Mass. Race
 
On Jan 21, 8:23*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:58 -0500, Bruce wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:56:18 -0500, *wrote:


when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?


If they invested, they would see the same results. Do you understand
that it wasn't a 50% tax cut?


actually you're correct. it was greater than 50%


the middle class got screwed even more.t hanks for pointing that out


How is the middle class not subject to the same taxes?


because our tax rate stayed the same

the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Bzzt.. wrong.

1993 saw a huge new tax on the wealthy with two new brackets at the
top. After that, starting in 2000, *everyone's* tax rates dropped by
3%, from top to bottom, except for a new lower tax bracket that was
created in 2002 that reduced the rate from 15% to 10%, a reduction of
5%. That means that everyone got the *same* reduction except the
lower earners, who got a *bigger* reduction.

The one bracket that didn't change in rate was the 15%... but many did
fall out of that bracket to 10%, so that's not really no change, is
it? Many in the 15% bracket got a bigger relief than everyone else.
So your statement is false.

The plans moving forward is to leave everyone's tax rates alone...
except for those top two rates, who rebound back up to 1993 rates.
That should make you happy. Or not.

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm





Jack[_3_] January 22nd 10 01:46 AM

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On Jan 21, 2:01*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

...



And, you have less money to begin with, thus your "best deal" isn't so
great. Let's say you claim $10K in capital gains and pay 5%. Your net is
$9500. Cool. Now, let's say you claim $100K in capital gains and pay 20%
(just for fun). Your net is $80K. So, looking at it in actual dollars,
which is the "better deal" or rather, which one would you rather have?


So, to be fair am I to assume we are all supposed to start out with the same
amount of $$ to invest, like a game of Monopoly?

Eisboch


It's already been shown that if you did that, ecentually the same
group of people would end up with all the money, and the same peeps
would end up poor.

Real life isn't a Monopoly game.

Bill McKee January 22nd 10 02:07 AM

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:59:19 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:40:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


There was a one year period of 20% during the Reagan administration
but it was back to 38% when he left.
That is not exactly what you posted or what you implied.

Did you expect anything else from our newest far left lying loon?

guess you didn't know the dems, under carter, raised capital gains to
almost 40%

http://www.urban.org/publications/1000519.html



And what was inflation under Carter? Huge tax increase that inflation.


and what is the cost of being unemployed, courtesy of 'free market'
economics? what's the cost of 10 years with no increase in jobs? of 10
years of no pay increases?

how's that working out?



And where is that the Republicans fault. Nafta was a Dem POTUS signed
thing. We have been moving jobs out of country a lot longer than 8 years.
We stopped teaching shop classes 40 years ago. Where at the kids going to
learn how to be non college prep students? Dem and Republican controlled
Congresses have never stepped up and told China that every Tariff they
impose on imports will be matched by us on their exports.



bpuharic January 22nd 10 02:41 AM

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:42:50 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Jan 21, 8:23*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:58 -0500, Bruce wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:56:18 -0500, *wrote:


when's the last time the MIDDLE CLASS got a 50% tax cut?


If they invested, they would see the same results. Do you understand
that it wasn't a 50% tax cut?


actually you're correct. it was greater than 50%


the middle class got screwed even more.t hanks for pointing that out


How is the middle class not subject to the same taxes?


because our tax rate stayed the same

the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Bzzt.. wrong.

1993 saw a huge new tax on the wealthy with two new brackets at the
top.


let's see..democratic president....democratic congress....

yeah. thanks for supporting what i said

After that, starting in 2000, *everyone's* tax rates dropped by
3%, from top to bottom, except for a new lower tax bracket that was
created in 2002 that reduced the rate from 15% to 10%, a reduction of
5%. That means that everyone got the *same* reduction except the
lower earners, who got a *bigger* reduction.

The one bracket that didn't change in rate was the 15%... but many did
fall out of that bracket to 10%, so that's not really no change, is
it? Many in the 15% bracket got a bigger relief than everyone else.
So your statement is false.

The plans moving forward is to leave everyone's tax rates alone...
except for those top two rates, who rebound back up to 1993 rates.
That should make you happy. Or not.

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm



interesting that you post this reference. because it shows how
REGRESSIVE the tax system really is, especially towards the middle
class.

in 2006, under the GOP, someone making 7500 paid a tax rate of 15%.
someone making 30K paid 25%, an increase of 65%. someone making $350K
paid 35%, an increase over the 30K guy of about 40%.

BUT that's really irrelevant. the RICH paid 15% because most of THEIR
income is capital gains, NOT income from work.

so, try again. the GOP keeps making the middle class pay for their
goldman sachs buddies


mgg January 22nd 10 04:21 AM

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:





And where is that the Republicans fault. Nafta was a Dem POTUS signed
thing. We have been moving jobs out of country a lot longer than 8 years.
We stopped teaching shop classes 40 years ago. Where at the kids going to
learn how to be non college prep students? Dem and Republican controlled
Congresses have never stepped up and told China that every Tariff they
impose on imports will be matched by us on their exports.


Bill, you just can't argue with the liberals. They have a spin for almost
everything, and when they don't they just revert to name calling. Heck,
look at Olbermann the other day? Wow, I've never seen such name calling on
the airwaves. He's a perfect example.

Besides, if we all just gave up on trying to argue with them, maybe this
place would revert back to being more boat oriented? It's a lot like
filtering harry. Since most folks here now have him KF'd, he's as good as
castrated (if he wasn't already) g.

--Mike


nom=de=plume January 22nd 10 04:52 AM

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"mgg" wrote in message
...


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:





And where is that the Republicans fault. Nafta was a Dem POTUS signed
thing. We have been moving jobs out of country a lot longer than 8
years. We stopped teaching shop classes 40 years ago. Where at the kids
going to learn how to be non college prep students? Dem and Republican
controlled Congresses have never stepped up and told China that every
Tariff they impose on imports will be matched by us on their exports.


Bill, you just can't argue with the liberals. They have a spin for almost
everything, and when they don't they just revert to name calling. Heck,
look at Olbermann the other day? Wow, I've never seen such name calling on
the airwaves. He's a perfect example.

Besides, if we all just gave up on trying to argue with them, maybe this
place would revert back to being more boat oriented? It's a lot like
filtering harry. Since most folks here now have him KF'd, he's as good as
castrated (if he wasn't already) g.

--Mike



You'll note that not a single person refuted what Olbermann said. Not a
single thing.


--
Nom=de=Plume



Jack[_3_] January 22nd 10 05:20 AM

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On Jan 21, 9:41*pm, bpuharic wrote:

because our (middle class) tax rate stayed the same


the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Bzzt.. wrong.


1993 saw a huge new tax on the wealthy with two new brackets at the
top.


yeah. thanks for supporting what i said


How can you spin two new tax brackets at even higher levels as "the
rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed"?


* After that, starting in 2000, *everyone's* tax rates dropped by
3%, from top to bottom, except for a new lower tax bracket that was
created in 2002 that reduced the rate from 15% to 10%, a reduction of
5%. *That means that everyone got the *same* reduction except the
lower earners, who got a *bigger* reduction.


The one bracket that didn't change in rate was the 15%... but many did
fall out of that bracket to 10%, so that's not really no change, is
it? *Many in the 15% bracket got a bigger relief than everyone else.
So your statement is false.


The plans moving forward is to leave everyone's tax rates alone...
except for those top two rates, who rebound back up to 1993 rates.
That should make you happy. *Or not.


http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm


interesting that you post this reference. because it shows how
REGRESSIVE the tax system really is, especially towards the middle
class.


You can try to change your assertions by spinning your statements, but
it remains clear that you are simply wrong when you say:

"because our (middle class) tax rate stayed the same" It did NOT, it
was lower.
" the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed" They
did NOT, they paid more.

That was an outright lie. My link proves it.

But spin away. I'm done.

mgg January 22nd 10 06:35 AM

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"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Jan 21, 9:41 pm, bpuharic wrote:

because our (middle class) tax rate stayed the same


the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Bzzt.. wrong.


1993 saw a huge new tax on the wealthy with two new brackets at the
top.


yeah. thanks for supporting what i said


How can you spin two new tax brackets at even higher levels as "the
rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed"?


After that, starting in 2000, *everyone's* tax rates dropped by
3%, from top to bottom, except for a new lower tax bracket that was
created in 2002 that reduced the rate from 15% to 10%, a reduction of
5%. That means that everyone got the *same* reduction except the
lower earners, who got a *bigger* reduction.


The one bracket that didn't change in rate was the 15%... but many did
fall out of that bracket to 10%, so that's not really no change, is
it? Many in the 15% bracket got a bigger relief than everyone else.
So your statement is false.


The plans moving forward is to leave everyone's tax rates alone...
except for those top two rates, who rebound back up to 1993 rates.
That should make you happy. Or not.


http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm


interesting that you post this reference. because it shows how
REGRESSIVE the tax system really is, especially towards the middle
class.


You can try to change your assertions by spinning your statements, but
it remains clear that you are simply wrong when you say:

"because our (middle class) tax rate stayed the same" It did NOT, it
was lower.
" the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed" They
did NOT, they paid more.

That was an outright lie. My link proves it.

But spin away. I'm done.


See my note to Bill. Just let them wallow in what they created. The tide is
turning.

--Mike


Eisboch January 22nd 10 09:53 AM

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"mgg" wrote in message
...


Bill, you just can't argue with the liberals. They have a spin for almost
everything, and when they don't they just revert to name calling. Heck,
look at Olbermann the other day? Wow, I've never seen such name calling
on the airwaves. He's a perfect example.

Besides, if we all just gave up on trying to argue with them, maybe this
place would revert back to being more boat oriented? It's a lot like
filtering harry. Since most folks here now have him KF'd, he's as good as
castrated (if he wasn't already) g.

--Mike




You'll note that not a single person refuted what Olbermann said. Not a
single thing.


Why? Not worth the time or energy. His comments the other night are the
perfect example
of the "wrestling with a pig" analogy. He makes a bunch of claims, unique
Olbermannisms, then his huge, elitist ego expects a response. No halfway
intelligent person would bother and it offends him.

I watch his comedy show occasionally for entertainment value only. I laugh
at him.
There are other liberal thinkers that I have much more genuine respect for.

Eisboch



Harry[_2_] January 22nd 10 11:16 AM

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"mgg" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:
And where is that the Republicans fault. Nafta was a Dem POTUS signed
thing. We have been moving jobs out of country a lot longer than 8
years. We stopped teaching shop classes 40 years ago. Where at the kids
going to learn how to be non college prep students? Dem and Republican
controlled Congresses have never stepped up and told China that every
Tariff they impose on imports will be matched by us on their exports.

Bill, you just can't argue with the liberals. They have a spin for almost
everything, and when they don't they just revert to name calling. Heck,
look at Olbermann the other day? Wow, I've never seen such name calling on
the airwaves. He's a perfect example.

Besides, if we all just gave up on trying to argue with them, maybe this
place would revert back to being more boat oriented? It's a lot like
filtering harry. Since most folks here now have him KF'd, he's as good as
castrated (if he wasn't already) g.

--Mike



You'll note that not a single person refuted what Olbermann said. Not a
single thing.



"Mike's" area of boating expertise was one post in which he said he took
his kid water-skiing. If the little **** weren't attacking those who
disagree with him politically, he'd have nothing to post.

bpuharic January 22nd 10 11:22 AM

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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:29:00 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:34:23 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Heh.. that would be a pretty big assumption. The previous post indicated
"those making less than $65K" vs. "the rich."


Again, the assertion was the cap gains rate only benefits the rich. I
guarantee you there are a lot of people around here who are not rich
and benefit from this


a few. but MOST middle class people do NOT report most of their
income on 1099. they report it on w2.

that is they work for a living.

NOW you right wingers are saying all americans are retired.

perhaps you have the unemployed that you right wingers caused confused
with retired folks

bpuharic January 22nd 10 11:23 AM

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:20:07 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Jan 21, 9:41*pm, bpuharic wrote:

because our (middle class) tax rate stayed the same


the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Bzzt.. wrong.


1993 saw a huge new tax on the wealthy with two new brackets at the
top.


yeah. thanks for supporting what i said


How can you spin two new tax brackets at even higher levels as "the
rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed"?


because the marginal rate of tax increase above the middle class is
regressive. the BIGGEST INCREASE in marginal tax rates comes in the
middle class tax band


bpuharic January 22nd 10 11:24 AM

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:35:32 -0800, "mgg" wrote:



See my note to Bill. Just let them wallow in what they created. The tide is
turning.

--Mike



on that i agree. reminds me of when harris wofford ran against rick
santorum here in PA a few years ago

wofford ran on health care in PA

santorum ran on repealing the estate tax, which would benefit the
richest 2 people who died in PA everyear

santorum won

Harry[_2_] January 22nd 10 11:35 AM

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bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:35:32 -0800, "mgg" wrote:


See my note to Bill. Just let them wallow in what they created. The tide is
turning.

--Mike



on that i agree. reminds me of when harris wofford ran against rick
santorum here in PA a few years ago

wofford ran on health care in PA

santorum ran on repealing the estate tax, which would benefit the
richest 2 people who died in PA everyear

santorum won



Ahh...Rick Santorum...the poster boy for science-denying, right-wing
assholes.

Harry Krause[_2_] January 22nd 10 12:17 PM

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Harry wrote:



"Mike's" area of boating expertise was one post in which he said he took
his kid water-skiing. If the little **** weren't attacking those who
disagree with him politically, he'd have nothing to post.


Sometimes I "project" my own feelings onto others. I know, if it
wasn't for my snotty comments directed towards those I disagree with
politically, I'd have nothing to post, but what the heck. Did I tell
you handguns has compensated for losing my pecker under all those folds
of fat?

Harry[_2_] January 22nd 10 12:47 PM

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Harry Krause wrote:
Harry wrote:



"Mike's" area of boating expertise was one post in which he said he
took his kid water-skiing. If the little **** weren't attacking those
who disagree with him politically, he'd have nothing to post.


Sometimes I "project" my own feelings onto others. I know, if it
wasn't for my snotty comments directed towards those I disagree with
politically, I'd have nothing to post, but what the heck. Did I tell
you handguns has compensated for losing my pecker under all those folds
of fat?




Speaking of little dicks, flajim*, you do realize that if yours were
bigger and still worked, your wife might not be cruising the produce
aisles, looking for bumpy cucumbers and zucchini.

* *All* the right-wing ID spoofers are flajim, whether they are or not.
Flajim in a moment of sobriety admitted to being an ID spoofer here.

Jack[_3_] January 22nd 10 01:34 PM

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On Jan 22, 6:23*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:20:07 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:
How can you spin two new tax brackets at even higher levels as "the
rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed"?


because the marginal rate of tax increase above the middle class is
regressive. the BIGGEST INCREASE in marginal tax rates comes in the
middle class tax band


Ahh... now it's starting to make sense. You want the nominal tax rate
to be 15%, so the progression for the next bracket would be about 18%
for you. Then you'd like the next brackets to ramp up even more so
they'll make up for what you'd fail to pay.

Sorry, the nominal rate is 25%, the 15% and 10% brackets are breaks
for the poor. You'll have to keep contributing your share.

"Feeling overtaxed? Under the U.S. income tax system, most of the
taxes collected are supposed to be paid by the people who make the
most money. Thanks to President Bush's tax cuts, that is exactly the
way the system works, says the U.S. Treasury Department.
According to the Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income
tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income
taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year."

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/income...hopaysmost.htm

•In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of
taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual
income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.

•The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual
income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30
percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990
this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

So stop your whining.

Harry[_2_] January 22nd 10 01:36 PM

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"mgg" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:04 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:
And where is that the Republicans fault. Nafta was a Dem POTUS signed
thing. We have been moving jobs out of country a lot longer than 8
years. We stopped teaching shop classes 40 years ago. Where at the kids
going to learn how to be non college prep students? Dem and Republican
controlled Congresses have never stepped up and told China that every
Tariff they impose on imports will be matched by us on their exports.

Bill, you just can't argue with the liberals. They have a spin for almost
everything, and when they don't they just revert to name calling. Heck,
look at Olbermann the other day? Wow, I've never seen such name calling on
the airwaves. He's a perfect example.

Besides, if we all just gave up on trying to argue with them, maybe this
place would revert back to being more boat oriented? It's a lot like
filtering harry. Since most folks here now have him KF'd, he's as good as
castrated (if he wasn't already) g.

--Mike



You'll note that not a single person refuted what Olbermann said. Not a
single thing.


Because they were laughing so hard at him, that's why. He came
completely un-hinged.


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